Dragon Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I'm sure these states also have laws "prohibiting" tearing down someone's fence and stealing sh#t!! The way society is nowadays, I'm sure if you were to shoot the little SOBs, their lowlife parents would sue you. (and most likely win!)Sorry about your luck FR 1494352[/snapback] Agree completely! Your state ought to get one of these. One of my favorite things about Colorado is our frontier spirit:If you come onto my property to commit a crime, I can kill you. The cops can't prosecute me, and your family can't sue me. 1494448[/snapback] Not so fast... Re-read #2. The last sentence is a "self-defense" clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Not so fast... Re-read #2. The last sentence is a "self-defense" clause. 1494461[/snapback] "And when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant." Cop: Did you think he was going to hurt you? Me: Yes, he did. Cop: then why did you shoot him in the back? Me: He said he was going to grab his gun. Cop: He didn't have a gun. Me: Well, then I guess he shouldn't have said that. Cop: Sir, did you say that? Dead Guy: (crickets) Cop: Ok sir, your story checks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Your state ought to get one of these. One of my favorite things about Colorado is our frontier spirit:If you come onto my property to commit a crime, I can kill you. The cops can't prosecute me, and your family can't sue me. 1494448[/snapback] umm, not so fast...you might want to check into the legal definition of "dwelling". funny, but exactly 10 years ago this very question on this exact statute was the subject of my first semester legal research/writing project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 You didn't get robbed, you got burglarized. Nonetheless, sorry to hear about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 You didn't get robbed, you got burglarized. Nonetheless, sorry to hear about it. 1494512[/snapback] +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) I live in a small town on a corner lot, my back yard is approx 60' x50'. I have stockade fence with locking gate facing the road and wire fence along the woodline to keep the yungins in. Mon. night a pair of pretty brash Sobs pushed the wire fence down, came into my backyard and stole one of these. workin mans tool Not an easy thing to carry. This was not in plain sight. Also was not chained. :doah: The thief new what he came for and where it was kept. Aluminum is bringing a good penny at the scrap yard. I am 99.999% sure who is behind this, a little crackhead bas mustard who has helped me in the past. The PD here have some knowledge of this young man also. I am now very sorely aware of the evil thieving crackheads that poison my little community. The real crime here is I no longer feel secure in my place and my wife is also fearfull they will be back for the rest, ladders, scaffold etc. and be even more brash, perhaps even enter the house. Off to home cheapo to get more chain & padlocks And then to the range. Sorry for the long rant ,I just needed to vent . This sucks. 1494237[/snapback] Crackheads are ravaging all the small towns it seems. It is funny..when I was a kid in Detroit and crack 1st hit it ravaged Detroit, it was a huge mess..it slowed down a little more each year until I left..now places like Vernor(anyone from Detroit knows this street) has regrown little by little and the city has gotten better(albeit it is still a wild azz place,just not as bad as it was in the late 80's and early 90's)..Now I to live in a small town and am watching crack explode all over again. IMO until parents start separating the drugs when telling their children about how bad they are you are going to see kids trying anything. these kids are told all drugs are bad and then smoke a J and say to themselves..they lied to me about buds..they are probably lieing about the rest of it too.the kids try anything. I mean I know this is not the only solution..but it starts at home. IMO the best thing parents can do is educate themselves on drugs otherwise there is no way they can educate their kids. Edit: not that any drug is good, but some are worse. Edited June 1, 2006 by Doc Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 "And when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant." Cop: Did you think he was going to hurt you? Me: Yes, he did. Cop: then why did you shoot him in the back? Me: He said he was going to grab his gun. Cop: He didn't have a gun. Me: Well, then I guess he shouldn't have said that. Cop: Sir, did you say that? Dead Guy: (crickets) Cop: Ok sir, your story checks out. 1494485[/snapback] This sounds like a pretty good script...I'd watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 umm, not so fast...you might want to check into the legal definition of "dwelling". funny, but exactly 10 years ago this very question on this exact statute was the subject of my first semester legal research/writing project. 1494498[/snapback] Well... check out this story: http://www.9news.com/storyfull.aspx?storyid=20786 The guy claims that his neighbor came over and broke the glass on the front door with a 2x4 so he shot him through the door. But really? How would you know if the glass was broken by the neighbor or the shotgun blast? How about I shoot Front Row's burglar in my back yard... then I pick up a stick and poke out the glass on my basement window. Who broke the window? That dead kid did, officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) You didn't get robbed, you got burglarized. Nonetheless, sorry to hear about it. 1494512[/snapback] Most "burglary" statutes require that the robber come into the "dwelling." Sounds like the tool that was stolen was laying on the ground outside. Also, many state burglary statues require the theft to occur at night time, or at least with in specified PM hours. Sounds like this occurred in broad day light. And most states don't allow for the use of lethal force in defense of property. Some do, like Texas. But it's pretty limited. As far as the "self-defense" argument, some states require the criminal to basically be in your home before you can kill them. Others don't require that (like Texas, where you can shoot them in the back as they are running away, and have one foot on the edge of your property and the other foot about to land on the street). So it depends on what state Front Row is in. However, if you do kill an intruder, the magic words when speaking to the police are, "I was fear for my safety and the safety of my family." Make sure that gets written down in the police report. And get a dog. A dog plus a gun provide much better home protection than a gun alone. Sorry to hear you got robbed, Front Row. At least they didn't get into your house, and at least no one you care about got hurt. Let's hope it's an issolated incident. Edited June 1, 2006 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Well... check out this story:http://www.9news.com/storyfull.aspx?storyid=20786 The guy claims that his neighbor came over and broke the glass on the front door with a 2x4 so he shot him through the door. But really? How would you know if the glass was broken by the neighbor or the shotgun blast? How about I shoot Front Row's burglar in my back yard... then I pick up a stick and poke out the glass on my basement window. Who broke the window? That dead kid did, officer. 1494548[/snapback] Because the shotgun would of busted the glass towards the outside..the 2 by 4 would of busted the glass inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Most "burglary" statutes require that the robber come into the "dwelling." Sounds like the tool that was stolen was laying on the ground outside. Also, many state burglary statues require the theft to occur at night time, or at least with in specified PM hours. Sounds like this occurred in broad day light. And most states don't allow for the use of lethal force in defense of property. Some do, like Texas. But it's pretty limited. As far as the "self-defense" argument, some states require the criminal to basically be in your home before you can kill them. Others don't require that (like Texas, where you can shoot them in the back as they are running away, and have one foot on the edge of your property and the other foot about to land on the street). So it depends on what state Front Row is in. However, if you do kill an intruder, the magic words when speaking to the policy are, "I was fear for my safety and the safety of my family." Make sure that gets written down in the police report. And get a dog. A dog plus a gun provide much better home protection than a gun alone. Sorry to hear you got robbed, Front Row. At least they didn't get into your house, and at least no one you care about got hurt. 1494556[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Because the shotgun would of busted the glass towards the outside..the 2 by 4 would of busted the glass inside. 1494558[/snapback] deatails smeatails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 deatails smeatails 1494603[/snapback] I also was gonna put." have you ever seen what a shotgun does to a window". But I was afraid someone would ask me how I know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Well... check out this story:http://www.9news.com/storyfull.aspx?storyid=20786 The guy claims that his neighbor came over and broke the glass on the front door with a 2x4 so he shot him through the door. But really? How would you know if the glass was broken by the neighbor or the shotgun blast? How about I shoot Front Row's burglar in my back yard... then I pick up a stick and poke out the glass on my basement window. Who broke the window? That dead kid did, officer. 1494548[/snapback] well, a prosecutor isn't likely to push the issue to far. but the statute itself doesn't protect you if you shoot a dude outside of your "dwelling". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 well, a prosecutor isn't likely to push the issue to far. but the statute itself doesn't protect you if you shoot a dude outside of your "dwelling". 1494612[/snapback] Nope..a buddy of mine who is a cop in dearborn Michigan told me if anyone ever tries to rob your house and you shoot him before he gets in your house..drag him inside, otherwise you are going to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nope..a buddy of mine who is a cop in dearborn Michigan told me if anyone ever tries to rob your house and you shoot him before he gets in your house..drag him inside, otherwise you are going to jail. 1494620[/snapback] yup i have had police and other law enforsment tell me the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 yup i have had police and other law enforsment tell me the same 1494621[/snapback] Well then..what are we waiting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nope..a buddy of mine who is a cop in dearborn Michigan told me if anyone ever tries to rob your house and you shoot him before he gets in your house..drag him inside, otherwise you are going to jail. 1494620[/snapback] 1) If you killled him and you move him, you're committing a crime, tampering with a crime scene, interfering with a police investigation, maybe obstruction of justice. 2) Probably all of the above are applicable if he is still alive. 3) If he is conscious, he is going to tell the cops what happened. 4) You are going to have to make up a scenario. 5) Hopefully a neighbor or passer-by didn't see anything. 6) God knows what kind of evidence is outside of the house in the form of blood, flesh and whatnot. 7) If you're caught lying, any legitimate defense that you had just went out the window, and it may result in you being hit for big $$$ in a civil lawsuit. Other than that, it's a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 That sucks. If you want to be able to defend your personal property with deadly force, come on down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 1) If you killled him and you move him, you're committing a crime, tampering with a crime scene, interfering with a police investigation, maybe obstruction of justice. 2) Probably all of the above are applicable if he is still alive. 3) If he is conscious, he is going to tell the cops what happened. 4) You are going to have to make up a scenario. 5) Hopefully a neighbor or passer-by didn't see anything. 6) God knows what kind of evidence is outside of the house in the form of blood, flesh and whatnot. 7) If you're caught lying, any legitimate defense that you had just went out the window, and it may result in you being hit for big $$$ in a civil lawsuit. Other than that, it's a great idea. 1494636[/snapback] These are all good and very real situations..but if you leave him lay where you shoot..you have no chance.me , myself..I am looking to increase my chances. Move him and try like heck to erase the evidence and get a story together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 These are all good and very real situations..but if you leave him lay where you shoot..you have no chance.me , myself..I am looking to increase my chances. Move him and try like heck to erase the evidence and get a story together. 1494646[/snapback] No chance? Says who? You always have a chance. And making more evidence by trying to "erase" the evidence probably isn't a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 No chance? Says who? You always have a chance. And making more evidence by trying to "erase" the evidence probably isn't a good idea. 1494659[/snapback] If you shoot the guy on your porch(for instance)..you have NO chance. Anyway it goes you may have no chance depending on the situation. but if you do have a chance to move the person, it is your best chance of not going to jail. Not to mention anyone who tries to break into your house very possibly has a long rap sheet. so the cops are inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt from the start, which could mean the investigation would not be as efficient. Anything to give you a better chance, as I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 These are all good and very real situations..but if you leave him lay where you shoot..you have no chance.me , myself..I am looking to increase my chances. Move him and try like heck to erase the evidence and get a story together. 1494646[/snapback] you've got a lot better chance the prosecutor decides not to look like an ass prosecuting someone protecting their home than you do of making it look like you killed him inside well enough that it fools the cops. wow you're dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 1) If you killled him and you move him, you're committing a crime, tampering with a crime scene, interfering with a police investigation, maybe obstruction of justice. 2) Probably all of the above are applicable if he is still alive. 3) If he is conscious, he is going to tell the cops what happened. 4) You are going to have to make up a scenario. 5) Hopefully a neighbor or passer-by didn't see anything. 6) God knows what kind of evidence is outside of the house in the form of blood, flesh and whatnot. 7) If you're caught lying, any legitimate defense that you had just went out the window, and it may result in you being hit for big $$$ in a civil lawsuit. Other than that, it's a great idea. 1494636[/snapback] 7 more reasons to come to the promised land. Most of you call it Texas. Us lucky ones call it home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 you've got a lot better chance the prosecutor decides not to look like an ass prosecuting someone protecting their home than you do of making it look like you killed him inside well enough that it fools the cops. wow you're dumb. 1494677[/snapback] Well, see..if it was me..I would wait for the guy to kick my door in..then blast him.then noone could say anything. We were speaking of a different circumstance. The fact that you call me dumb when I am telling you something that has happened on more than 1 occasion tells me you have no idea about a situation like this. thus you have no reason to add anything to it. So why don't you head on back to your kiddy porn site and let the people interested talk...thanks little fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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