Wizards Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 This thread just wasted 1 minute of my life. Vick is not great yet, but he's at least a top 15 qb as evidence by his won loss record. Plus he has Peerless Price as his #1 WR the past few years? Warrick Dunn isn't exactly Priest Holmes and his rush offense isn't exactly the Pitt Rush offense either. So who's a better NFL QB today, Big Ben or Vick? 913826[/snapback] This about Vick vs. Schaub...my reply as a serious FF owner is he is not on my list for QB#1 unless I have a brain fart(or I'm with Ricky Williams doing a few jays)..point here taken IMO is Vick is no QB#1 in FF..if you want him...by all means draft him...as a #2 filler..okay...that's a reach as some moron will jump on him usually and isn't around for QB#2 on my roster..on the other hand...Schaub doesn't fill that need yet either..IMO however, Schaub stands a better chance of making it in the top 10 of NFL QB's than does Mr. Mexico....Vick is a runner and always will be...his happy feet can sit on someone else's roster and "THAT" is the bottom line...all other arguments are reserved for Arthur Blanks and the Falcon faithful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 There's winning ugly, and then there are the Ws that fell off the ugly truck and got run over by the rest of the ugly convoy. Of course, by your rationale, Roethlisberger is a better QB than Vick (can't beat Big Ben's winning pct) and Brady is FAR better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 (edited) Roethlisberger is a better QB than Vick (can't beat Big Ben's winning pct) 913892[/snapback] Sure I can. I think Big Ben will indeed end up being a fine QB. But if I'm not mistaken, while they both helped their respective teams get to the Conference Championship games, Vick was the less sucky of the two, by virtue of the Falcons only losing by 17, while the Big Ben led Steelers lost by 24. Now how's that for some messed up warped logic? Brady is FAR better.913892[/snapback] As it stands right now, absolutely no argument on this one. Edited August 6, 2005 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk37 Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 start schaub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Sure I can. I think Big Ben will indeed end up being a fine QB. But if I'm not mistaken, while they both helped get their respective teams get to the Conference Championship games, Vick was the less sucky of the two, by virtue of the Falcons only losing by 17, while the Big Ben led Steelers lost by 24. Now how's that for some messed up warped logic? 913917[/snapback] You must really like that Falcon flavored Kool-Aid. No points for Big Ben doing it in the rookie year? After all, a major pillar in the "Vick for Hall of Fame" argument is that in his first year as a starter he beat GB in Lambeau. Ben is 14-0 in the regular season and a veteran of a conference championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 start schaub.913923[/snapback] Beat it newbie.....this is between me & Chavez... ...mano eh` mano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 (edited) You must really like that Falcon flavored Kool-Aid. No points for Big Ben doing it in the rookie year? After all, a major pillar in the "Vick for Hall of Fame" argument is that in his first year as a starter he beat GB in Lambeau. Ben is 14-0 in the regular season and a veteran of a conference championship game. 913925[/snapback] Chavez, I already said I was using messed up warped logic. What are you doing injecting sensible & logical thoughts? There's no place for that here. Play fair darn it! Edited August 6, 2005 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 It's funny because in previous threads, it seems EVERYONE (for the most part) has the same view of Vick - real NFL-wise, the team wins when he's in; pretty indisputable. Aside from the chicken/egg debate about his WRs (are they sucky because Vick is bad? or is Vick bad because they're sucky?), I think everyone realizes he's a devastating playmaker who can single-handedly win games - but he's inconsistent at the very least as a passer, and his accuracy is up for debate as well. I'm sure if he was on my team I'd be hanging off his nuts, but from the outside, he's far from a polished passer, even going on his 5th year in the league. Fantasy-wise, it's all about what you look for - his upside is drool-worthy, but for someone who can officially be considered a "veteran QB" now, his game-to-game inconsistency would drive me up a freakin' wall; if you can deal with the latter, the former may pay off for you. And in closing, I'd like to say that only a fool would start Vick over Schaub; Vick gets at least one, if not two, more seasons to prove he's more than a Kordell Stewart redux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Chavez, I already said I was using messed up warped logic. What are you doing injecting sensible & logical thoughts? There's no place for that here. Play fair darn it! 913933[/snapback] I'm sorry, I lost track of things - I was daydreaming about how Jim Bates is the best hire in the NFL this offseason and how he's going to turn GB's defense into a top 10 unit..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 This about Vick vs. Schaub...my reply as a serious FF owner is he is not on my list for QB#1 unless I have a brain fart(or I'm with Ricky Williams doing a few jays)..point here taken IMO is Vick is no QB#1 in FF..if you want him...by all means draft him...as a #2 filler..okay...that's a reach as some moron will jump on him usually and isn't around for QB#2 on my roster..on the other hand...Schaub doesn't fill that need yet either..IMO however, Schaub stands a better chance of making it in the top 10 of NFL QB's than does Mr. Mexico....Vick is a runner and always will be...his happy feet can sit on someone else's roster and "THAT" is the bottom line...all other arguments are reserved for Arthur Blanks and the Falcon faithful... 913891[/snapback] B-I-N-G-O Vick gets at least one, if not two, more seasons to prove he's more than a Kordell Stewart redux. 913934[/snapback] and Bingo was his name-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Sure I can. I think Big Ben will indeed end up being a fine QB. But if I'm not mistaken, while they both helped their respective teams get to the Conference Championship games, Vick was the less sucky of the two, by virtue of the Falcons only losing by 17, while the Big Ben led Steelers lost by 24. Now how's that for some messed up warped logic? 913917[/snapback] At least you admit it! And btw.. I respect your boy for his talent. Fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 At least you admit it! And btw.. I respect your boy for his talent. Fun to watch.914557[/snapback] Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Wow, Vick has played 5 seasons? I know if I watched someone play for 5 seasons, especially in the same offensive system, I could say he's crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Does he put fans in the seats for both Home & Away games? YES In short, he is a perfect QB for the NFL 913794[/snapback] That's what matters to Arthur Blank... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 2001 8 games 2002 15 games 2003 5 games 2004 15 games Looks like a long career to me. It seems like only yesterday that the Falcons started using the WCO. Ah the memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 what point are you trying to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 what point are you trying to make? 915081[/snapback] Probably that even though Vick has been in the league 5 years, he does not have 5 years worth of NFL game experience. That would be my guess anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 is he supposed to get bonus points for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 is he supposed to get bonus points for that? 915113[/snapback] Heck I dunno Hook. I guess he's asking for a mulligan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Heck I dunno Hook. I guess he's asking for a mulligan? 915284[/snapback] Sounds like it. Even though it's only about 3 seasons of game experience, it IS four full seasons of classroom work and 2+ seasons of starts. New offense or not, Vick is in a position where he has to start CONSISTENTLY fulfilling his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 What do you mean that Vick is not a QB for the NFL? I admit that he has been WAY overrated the past few years as a fantasy QB, but in 2002 & 2004 when Vick was healthy, the Falcons were a combined 20-11-1 with a couple of playoff victories and an NFC Championship appearance. Compare that to 5-11 in 2003 when Vick was down. While Vick has been a bit of a disappointment fantasy wise, he has done what a QB should do first and foremost--help his team win! 913806[/snapback] Ya, he hands off great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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