LooGie Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It's pretty obvious that OAK needs to and will draft a QB this year, but do you see Quinn going there? I dont see Quinn as a "Raider type" player. Maybe what's his face..the heismann winner..... I just don't see a pocket passer really working in OAK...i think you need a big name Vick type...Troy Smith is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcmast Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It's pretty obvious that OAK needs to and will draft a QB this year, but do you see Quinn going there? I dont see Quinn as a "Raider type" player. Maybe what's his face..the heismann winner..... I just don't see a pocket passer really working in OAK...i think you need a big name Vick type...Troy Smith is it? Trade the #1 and Moss for Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Does it really matter what QB is getting his head pounded down between his shoulders behind that heinous OL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It's pretty obvious that OAK needs to and will draft a QB this year, but do you see Quinn going there? I dont see Quinn as a "Raider type" player. Maybe what's his face..the heismann winner..... I just don't see a pocket passer really working in OAK...i think you need a big name Vick type...Troy Smith is it? They certainly need a QB. JaMarcus Russel is the type of QB that can stretch the field like the old Raiders use to like to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It's pretty obvious that OAK needs to and will draft a QB this year, but do you see Quinn going there? I dont see Quinn as a "Raider type" player. Maybe what's his face..the heismann winner..... I just don't see a pocket passer really working in OAK...i think you need a big name Vick type...Troy Smith is it? Rich Gannon wasn't a "Raider-type" QB and Jon Gruden wasn't a "Raider-type" coach. I guess it's a good idea to stick with the old Raider way of doing things, it's been working so well for the past 20 years or so. Troy Smith will likely only get a nominal shot at QB in the pros - too short, he has a conversion to WR or RB (or maybe DB) looming in his very near future (say, immediately after the national title game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Rich Gannon wasn't a "Raider-type" QB and Jon Gruden wasn't a "Raider-type" coach. I guess it's a good idea to stick with the old Raider way of doing things, it's been working so well for the past 20 years or so. Troy Smith will likely only get a nominal shot at QB in the pros - too short, he has a conversion to WR or RB (or maybe DB) looming in his very near future (say, immediately after the national title game). Until Al dies the Raiders will continue to live in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd1 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 How about Joe Thomas from Wisconsin?? He fixes the OL problem and makes the RBs and QBs better. Drafting QB's high is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Not a bad idea, though Raider brass might be gunshy from the Robert Gallery pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 How about Joe Thomas from Wisconsin?? He fixes the OL problem and makes the RBs and QBs better. Drafting QB's high is stupid. While this can be said of some, I think the Colts and Bengals beg to differ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstCoachingEver Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Not if DET drafts Quinn with the first pick. I do see Troy Smith going to OAK. However, I don't see him being a great QB in the NFL. Heisman winning QBs don't really have a great resume in the NFL..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 How about Joe Thomas from Wisconsin?? He fixes the OL problem and makes the RBs and QBs better. Drafting QB's high is stupid. They need to sell tickets and give renewed life to their fans. Drafting OL player can't accomplish that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I do see Troy Smith going to OAK. However, I don't see him being a great QB in the NFL. Heisman winning QBs don't really have a great resume in the NFL..... Well, that's neither here nor there - Troy Smith will be lucky to go on the first day, and only if someone reaches for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 They need to sell tickets and give renewed life to their fans. Drafting OL player can't accomplish that. It's up to fans to realize that games are won on the lines. A stud OL can make ALL your skill players look better. But I wouldn't mind ALL bad teams having this thought process so stud OLs and DLs fall down to Green Bay every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstCoachingEver Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Well, that's neither here nor there - Troy Smith will be lucky to go on the first day, and only if someone reaches for him. If Alex Smith can go first overall, I'm fairly certain T Smith will go on day one in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 If Alex Smith can go first overall, I'm fairly certain T Smith will go on day one in April. Alex Smith had the measurables, Troy Smith does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Does it really matter what QB is getting his head pounded down between his shoulders behind that heinous OL? exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 There will be a FA veteran QB for them to throw less $$$ at who will make them immediately better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Not if DET drafts Quinn with the first pick. I do see Troy Smith going to OAK. However, I don't see him being a great QB in the NFL. Heisman winning QBs don't really have a great resume in the NFL..... Detroit is taking Quinn with the first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 Trade the #1 and Moss for Vick. like he's worth a #1 AND Moss. Didn't you see Vick hurt his v@gina and sit the final minutes of the game when his team was down by 2 scores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 Rich Gannon wasn't a "Raider-type" QB and Jon Gruden wasn't a "Raider-type" coach. I guess it's a good idea to stick with the old Raider way of doing things, it's been working so well for the past 20 years or so. Troy Smith will likely only get a nominal shot at QB in the pros - too short, he has a conversion to WR or RB (or maybe DB) looming in his very near future (say, immediately after the national title game). I think Gruden is the perfect book definition "Raider-type" coach. Granted he's no Art Shell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 How about Joe Thomas from Wisconsin?? He fixes the OL problem and makes the RBs and QBs better. Drafting QB's high is stupid. yah, just ask Cin and Pit and SD and NY and Ind and..well, you get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I think Gruden is the perfect book definition "Raider-type" coach. Granted he's no Art Shell He doesn't run a "Raider-type" offense and had no previous connections to the Raiders organization, nor any fealty to il padrone Al. Hence he wasn't enough of a toady for Davis' tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 It's up to fans to realize that games are won on the lines. A stud OL can make ALL your skill players look better. But I wouldn't mind ALL bad teams having this thought process so stud OLs and DLs fall down to Green Bay every year. "Fall down" to GB? Fall all the way to the 4th pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 No way. Davis never drafts QBs high (at least not after the Marinovich fiasco). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 He doesn't run a "Raider-type" offense and had no previous connections to the Raiders organization, nor any fealty to il padrone Al. Hence he wasn't enough of a toady for Davis' tastes. but he is the perfect raider type coach. Just because he doesn't run an offense that calls for 7 step drop passes on their own 1 yard line doesn't mean he's not the book definition type of coach for OAK. He's got that swagger, and he creates teams with that swagger. He takes serious chances and long shots and gets as fired up as anyone in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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