evil_gop_liars Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Devon woman who says she developed an asbestos-related cancer from hugging her father is claiming a £75,000 payout from the Ministry of Defence (MoD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeteebee Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 when I saw the title of this thread, I would have bet money that you were going to link to this article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 when I saw the title of this thread, I would have bet money that you were going to link to this article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 forty cents says she is a smoker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeteebee Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 forty cents says she is a smoker. oh, now yer just engaging in some internet smack talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 forty cents says she is a smoker. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT NO DOCTOR IN THE WORLD SAYS THAT SMOKING CAUSES MESOTHELIOMA??? MESOTHELIOMA AND LUNG CANCER ARE TWO DIFFERENT DISEASES. SMOKING CAUSES THE LATTER, NOT THE FORMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Mesothelioma can develop after relatively minor asbestos exposures. Far less exposure than is necessary for less severe (i.e., nonmalignant) asbestos-related disease. I see cases like this all the time - household members develop meso from exposure through their husbands or fathers. Very sad. Because of the latency period, it is not often that you see someone this young develop meso, which is incurable and usually leads to death 6-18 months after diagnosis. Worst part is that the link between asbestos, household exposure, and mesothelioma was known in the industry before this woman's father worked with the stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Worst part is that the link between asbestos, household exposure, and mesothelioma was known in the industry before this woman's father worked with the stuff. Then he is even dumber than you are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Then he is even dumber than you are... Spain, you ignorant slut. It was known in the industry, not by the guys in the field working with the stuff. The manufacturers and their insurance companies decided that it would be better to surpress the medical studies rather than warn the guys working with their products that it might kill them. Can't lose profits because people are afraid of your leathal products, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Spain, you ignorant slut. That's pure gold right there, I don't care who you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 What if I smoke asbestos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 What if I smoke asbestos? If your smoking asbestos....you got some bad asbestos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 What if I smoke asbestos? Kent used to put asbestos in their cigarette filters - crocidolite, the mose dangerous asbestos fiber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT NO DOCTOR IN THE WORLD SAYS THAT SMOKING CAUSES MESOTHELIOMA??? MESOTHELIOMA AND LUNG CANCER ARE TWO DIFFERENT DISEASES. SMOKING CAUSES THE LATTER, NOT THE FORMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kent used to put asbestos in their cigarette filters - crocidolite, the mose dangerous asbestos fiber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 You got me. Smoking asbestos cigarettes can case meso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Yes or no, smoking greatly increases the chance of getting meso if you have had contact with asbestos? I say yes. Do you have to be driving to get a DUI? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT NO DOCTOR IN THE WORLD SAYS THAT SMOKING CAUSES MESOTHELIOMA??? MESOTHELIOMA AND LUNG CANCER ARE TWO DIFFERENT DISEASES. SMOKING CAUSES THE LATTER, NOT THE FORMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not often I see H8 get to anyone who's been around as long as Squeegie...tsk, tsk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Yes or no, smoking greatly increases the chance of getting meso if you have had contact with asbestos? I say yes. Doctors say no. I'll side with the doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 It's not often I see H8 get to anyone who's been around as long as Squeegie...tsk, tsk. Not getting to me - just don't want anyone else out there to think there is a shred of credibility in that assertion. As the resident asbestos expert, I want my fellow Huddlers to have the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I want my fellow Huddlers to have the facts. Explain why all your meso clients are smokers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 (edited) Fine, live in denial. Individuals exposed to asbestos should be encouraged to avoid tobacco exposure because together the risk for lung cancer is significantly higher than from smoking without a history of asbestos exposure. Asbestos workers who also smoke have a lung cancer risk 50 to 90 times greater... http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/...9.asp?sitearea= Edited February 24, 2007 by H8tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 typical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 typical 90 times greater... Game, set - match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Fine, live in denial. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/...9.asp?sitearea= From your link: Although tobacco smoking has not been associated with developing mesothelioma, the combination of smoking and asbestos exposure greatly increases the risk of lung cancer. Lung cancer and mesothelioma are two separate diseases, silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Explain why all your meso clients are smokers? They aren't. Plenty of non-smoking meso clients. And non-smoking lung cancer clients for that matter. Let's learn more about the difference between lung cancer and mesothelioma from http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2965: Primary lung cancer (cancer that has started in the lungs)There are several different types of primary lung cancer. These are divided into two main types Small cell lung cancer Non-small cell lung cancer Small cell lung cancer About 20 out of every 100 lung cancers diagnosed are this type. Small cell lung cancer is so called because the cancer cells are small cells that are mostly filled with the nucleus (the control centre of cells). You may hear it called 'oat cell' cancer. This type of cancer is usually always caused by smoking. It is very rare for someone who has never smoked to develop it. Small cell lung cancer often spreads quite early on and so doctors often suggest treatment with chemotherapy rather than surgery. Non-small cell lung cancer There are three types of non-small cell lung cancer. These are grouped together because they behave in a similar way and respond to treatment differently to small cell lung cancer. The three types are Squamous cell carcinoma Adenocarcinoma Large cell carcinoma Occasionally it is not possible to work out which type of non small cell lung cancer you have. If the cells in the biopsy are very undeveloped, it just may not be possible to tell. Undeveloped cancer cells are known as undifferentiated cells. So you will be told you have undifferentiated non-small cell lung cancer. This will not make any difference to your treatment as all non-small cell lung cancers are treated the same way at present. Squamous cell cancer Squamous cell cancer is the most common type of lung cancer. It develops from the cells that line the airways and you often find it near the centre of the lung in one of the main airways (the left or right bronchus). This type of cancer is often due to smoking. The incidence of squamous cell cancer is going down in the UK. Adenocarcinoma Adenocarcinoma also develops from the cells that line the airways. But it develops from a particular type of cell that produces mucus (phlegm). You often find it in the outer regions of the lungs. The incidence of adenocarcinoma is increasing and it may soon become more common in the UK than squamous cell lung cancer. Large cell carcinoma Large cell lung cancer is called this because the cells look large and rounded when they are looked at under a microscope. This type of lung cancer tends to grow quite quickly. So, lung cancer, of which smoking is the most common cause, develops in the airways of the lung. MesotheliomaMesothelioma is another rare type of cancer which affects the covering of the lung (the pleura). It is often caused by exposure to asbestos. It is very different to lung cancer. There is a whole section on mesothelioma in CancerHelp UK. This is the section you should be looking at if you need information on mesothelioma. Let's check out that meso section: What mesothelioma isMesothelioma is a type of cancer. It is a cancer of mesothelial cells. These cells cover the outer surface of most of our internal body organs, forming a lining that is sometimes called the mesothelium. So this is where this type of cancer gets its name. Mesothelioma cancer can develop in the tissues covering the Lungs Abdomen The pleura The tissues lining (or covering) the lungs are called the pleura. There are two pleura. These can be called pleural membranes. The gap between them is called the pleural space. The pleura are fibrous sheets. They help to protect the lungs. They produce a lubricating fluid that fills the gap between the two pleura. This helps the lungs to move smoothly in the chest when they are inflating and deflating as we breathe. Mesothelioma is most often diagnosed in the pleura. This is known as pleural mesothelioma. Because it is so close, pleural mesothelioma can also affect the sheet of tissue covering the heart - the pericardium. Doctors call the pericardium the lining, although it is on the outside of the heart. It protects the heart and allows it to move smoothly within the sac that surrounds it. So it does much the same job for the heart as the pleura do for the lungs. The peritoneum The tissue lining the abdomen is called the peritoneum. It helps to protect the contents of the abdomen. It also produces a lubricating fluid. This helps the organs to move smoothly inside the abdomen as we move around. Mesothelioma of the tissues lining the abdominal cavity is known as peritoneal mesothelioma. It is much less common than pleural mesothelioma. So, mesothelioma is not a cancer that occurs in the airways of the lungs, but rather the lining of the lungs, or even the lining of other organs like the stomach. Two completely different diseases. And your own link says meso is NOT caused by smoking. Game, set, match, moran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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