gbpfan1231 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 OK - argument here at work. Assuming you play blackjack strictly by the book they say it is like winning 48% of the time. So if you play totally by the book and other people at your table play totally by the book it would still be 48%. If people at your table do not play by the book does the 48% go down (or up) or does it still stay at 48% (again this assumes you play by the book)?? This is not talking one hand I am asking with pure math/odds - so assumke a million hands the question really comes down to - over the long run does someone playing poorly at your table really change the long run odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulzale Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Depends on if the same group are playing over the course of a million hands and if that same group also has the same tendencies. Those around you can definitely impact the odds especially over the short term and if they do the same things long term then of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yes, it will affect your long term odds, again with the assumption being that you are playing the million hands with the same players sitting in the same positions and their way of playing/skill/knowledge of the game does not change along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yes, it will affect your long term odds, again with the assumption being that you are playing the million hands with the same players sitting in the same positions and their way of playing/skill/knowledge of the game does not change along the way. See I disagree here. The 48% is odds against you and the dealer not you and other people against the dealer. yes if someone takes a card that would have busted the dealer it makes a difference but someone could also take a card that would not bust the dealer. I would think over the long run it comes down to how YOU play against the dealer only???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 People not playing by the book give the house a bigger advantage, but it has no affect on your odds. Yes there will be hands that the guy next to you hit's a 19 and takes "your" 10 card, and you get busted. BJ is not a community game as some people would like to believe. The odds are pretty well fixed and although at times a bad player will affect your outcome (sometimes good...sometimes bad) most players only see/remember the ones that they got hurt by and not the ones they benefited by. I've stayed at tables w/ bad players and I have left those tables and I don't think it really mattered a lot. These game's odds are based on the millennium, NOT by the hour day or week. Not sure how many hands would prove the odds correct. 1mill...maybe. I know I ran a computer program years ago on Craps. It took ~ 400,000 rolls before the curve looked like it should. I'm sure BJ is similar. You need also to consider is the game single deck, double deck, 8 deck shoe, or a perpetual shuffler. The way the house changes payouts for some of those games affects the way they should be played and the odds change, but only slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yes, it will affect your long term odds, again with the assumption being that you are playing the million hands with the same players sitting in the same positions and their way of playing/skill/knowledge of the game does not change along the way. 2 years ago at wcoff...bc and i were killing a table and a group of Megan Foxes came over not knowing what they were doing..... completely f'd us. sorry, only mildly related to you question... just a vent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I've had this argument at work as well! The answer is no http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/...-your-odds-8863 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 2 years ago at wcoff...bc and i were killing a table and a group of Megan Foxes came over not knowing what they were doing..... completely f'd us. sorry, only mildly related to you question... just a vent That can happen and it could have done just the opposite. It still does not change the odds. I've had this argument at work as well! The answer is no http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/...-your-odds-8863 Nice article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Well, if they are fat balding pricks, it hurts your odds. If they are young coeds, it gives you the opportunity to mentor them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Well, if they are fat balding pricks, it hurts your odds. If they are young coeds, it gives you the opportunity to mentor them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Well, if they are fat balding pricks, it hurts your odds. If they are young coeds, it gives you the opportunity to mentor them. BC is my only source of good gaming practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The cards in the shoe don't reshuffle depending on what the tourist with a Mai Tai just did. But I will grant you it seems that way sometimes. Random is random. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The idiot setting at 3rd base betting the table minimum will always fruck it up if you are betting the table maximum and double down or split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I have played with very bad players and I have played at tables where no one breaks a rule. I honestly don't think that it makes a difference but often to me it feels like it does. My game of choice is a double deck sitting a close to the last seat as possible so to me I think in that game it makes a lot more of a difference than say an eight deck shoe or the perpetual shuffler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I hate people who pick on other people at minimum limit tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I hate people who pick on other people at minimum limit tables. agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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