Perchoutofwater Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 After I stopped hating and truly learned to love Obama and all the good that he has done for our country. LOL, so Rattsass has converted you. Oh the zeal of new converts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Or a Republican in the modern sense? Freaking commie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 LOL, so Rattsass has converted you. Oh the zeal of new converts. What you call a Zealot, I simply call enlightenment. I would like to share my love and understanding with you, but alas, you are a stone wall, blocking all that tries to penetrate your cold hard exterior... But even with you, like many a stone wall, maybe, just, maybe, one day a beautiful flower will blossom in one of your cracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) From one of the co-authors of Arizona SB1070 When the open borders lobby runs out of excuses for amnesty, their final resort is to “do it for the children.” Last year Nancy Pelosi told a crowd in San Francisco that “Our future is about our children” and, “Taking parents from their children … that’s un-American.” When the Speaker of the House considers enforcing our immigration laws “un-American,” it becomes the constitutional duty of the States to stand against illegal immigration. This is why I introduced SB 1070 into the Arizona legislature, which has prompted a much needed national debate about immigration. Sure enough, we’ve heard the same complaints about separating families. Congressman Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) put together a Congressional panel against SB 1070. He trotted out ten-year-old Catherine Figueroa whose illegal alien parents had stolen identities of American citizens and were detained. She sobbed lines that no doubt were scripted by her handlers: “Please help us, children don’t know what to do without their parents.” I truly sympathize with Catherine, but her law-breaking parents are the ones responsible for her situation. SB 1070 and all other immigration laws do not split up families. Arizona Jan Brewer very sensibly pointed out that there is nothing stopping the children from going back with their parents to their nation of origin. But the truth is that these people do not care about reuniting families. They simply use children like Catherine for cheap political gain. She is not the first. A few years ago, the poster child and poster mother for breaking immigration law under the guise of not “separating families” was Elvira Arellano and her son Saul. Elvira, who had been deported in 1997, broke back into the country and obtained a fraudulent social security number. In 2002, she was arrested for Social Security fraud, but due to our lax immigration courts, she was released and wasn’t ordered to see an immigration judge until 2006. With these facts, most Americans would see this as yet another example of how we fail to enforce our laws. But Elvira had an illegitimate son with an unknown father in 1999. Under a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment, Saul became a US Citizen. Instead of going to court, Elvira holed herself up in Adalberto United Methodist Church in Chicago–which proclaimed iself a “sanctuary”–and stayed there for a year. Meanwhile, Saul travelled to Mexico where he spoke before the Mexican Congress to attack our laws. Eventually, Elvira snuck out and was detained and deported. She then started a group called La Familia Latina Unida (United Latino Family) in Mexico. But instead of bringing her son with her, pro illegal alien activists have given him legal guardianship and they parade him across the country away from his mother. This would not be a problem if we ended our absurd practice of giving birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens. The 14th Amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” This clause was added specifically for the purpose of ensuring that the children of freed slaves would receive American citizenship. The drafters of this Amendment made it very clear that this was not intended for illegal aliens. One of the Amendment’s proponents, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan, stated that the Citizenship Clause "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time, Lyman Trumbull of Illinois, explained that: The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ … What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means. The fact that illegal aliens come here in spite of our laws and fly Mexican flags in protest is a pretty sure sign that they do not owe sole allegiance to this country and should not be covered by the 14th Amendment for the purpose of citizenship. In 1898, the Supreme Court ruled that the Citizenship Clause applied to children of legal immigrants awaiting US Citizenship. They have not, however, ruled that the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship for everyone. In fact in the case Hamdi vs. Rumsfield, Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia referred to Taliban fighter Yaser Esam Hamdi—who was born here while his father was visiting on a temporary visa and then spent the rest of his life in Saudi Arabia—as a “presumed U.S. Citizen,” acknowledging that the issue was open to debate. The decision to grant citizenship to the children of illegal aliens is just another arbitrary government policy that has huge costs to the American people. US Citizen children are eligible for dozens of welfare programs that strain state and federal budgets. It becomes incredibly difficult to deport the illegal alien parents of US born children. Then when the children grow up they can sponsor their family members here illegally. This is why many refer to them as “anchor babies.” The American people overwhelmingly oppose this. According a Rasmussen poll earlier this month, 58% of Americans do not believe the children of illegal aliens should receive US Citizenship while only 33% believe they should. Neither Congress nor the Obama administration is willing to act to prevent our Constitution from being perverted to reward illegal aliens. For the same reason I proposed SB 1070, I believe this the next step for Arizona to take up in the fight against illegal immigration. American citizenship is a privilege, not a right. Ending birthright citizenship does not punish children, but continuing the practice rewards lawbreakers. State Senator Russell Pearce represents Arizona’s 18th Legislative District. He was the primary sponsor of SB 1070 and the Legal Arizona Workers Act. Edited June 24, 2010 by Perchoutofwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Do you people get any work done at your job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Do you people get any work done at your job? Nope, Obama has all but killed my company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Do you people get any work done at your job? Two hospital expansions I would have been working on right now were put on hold until litigation over Obamacare can be resolved. I'm finishing up one job right now, but all I have left to do is go back and re-inspect the punch list. There isn't a lot of work out there right now. People that do have money are holding on to it until they see what new regulation and taxation is going to come between now and November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I too have lost business recently, but Obama assures me that I have nothing to worry about. So I spend that time I used to waste working, here spreading the word of the chosen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I too have lost business recently, but Obama assures me that I have nothing to worry about. So I spend that time I used to waste working, here spreading the word of the chosen one. so um... that shadow government thing you were talking about can't be too much of a problem if you are resorting to this type of dialog, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Shadow government? Twaddle. People spend their lives worrying about things they have absolutely no control over. The left crowd has shown me the err of my ways. Life is much simpler when you just trust your government implicitly. I have no need to question. I have no need to think. My thinking is done for me, and my questions will be answered when the government decides it is time for me to know. Until then, I am living a life of bliss. And it is wonderful my friend. Absolutely wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Shadow government? Twaddle. People spend their lives worrying about things they have absolutely no control over. The left crowd has shown me the err of my ways. Life is much simpler when you just trust your government implicitly. I have no need to question. I have no need to think. My thinking is done for me, and my questions will be answered when the government decides it is time for me to know. Until then, I am living a life of bliss. And it is wonderful my friend. Absolutely wonderful. Jeebus. You act like you live in Stalinist Russia. Is your life REALLY that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Jeebus. You act like you live in Stalinist Russia. Is your life REALLY that bad? No. And I don't want it to be either. But inch by inch we go. I might as well get onboard right now like everyone else has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 No. And I don't want it to be either. But inch by inch we go. I might as well get onboard right now like everyone else has. Where were you when an American citizen was arrested without due process, held in detention for several years without charges being put forth (with several being eventually dismissed) and moved several times without knowledge of his lawyers? Where you screaming "stalinism!" at that? No? I'm selectively surprised at your selective anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Where were you when an American citizen was arrested without due process, held in detention for several years without charges being put forth (with several being eventually dismissed) and moved several times without knowledge of his lawyers? Where you screaming "stalinism!" at that? No? I'm selectively surprised at your selective anger. Back then he was a "free thinker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Where were you when an American citizen was arrested without due process, held in detention for several years without charges being put forth (with several being eventually dismissed) and moved several times without knowledge of his lawyers? Where you screaming "stalinism!" at that? No? I'm selectively surprised at your selective anger. I don't think he is old enough to lived through the FDR Administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Shadow government? Twaddle. People spend their lives worrying about things they have absolutely no control over. The left crowd has shown me the err of my ways. Life is much simpler when you just trust your government implicitly. I have no need to question. I have no need to think. My thinking is done for me, and my questions will be answered when the government decides it is time for me to know. Until then, I am living a life of bliss. And it is wonderful my friend. Absolutely wonderful. so - in two weeks you can't get people to buy into a shadow government that has been there for years and years and years and controlling information to keep things from the people - so you give up and start rolling with this nonsense. So what you are saying is that you never really cared about the problem and that you have no desire honestly share the message and you don't care to put the time and effort it. you honestly don't care about the issues you were trying to share, do you? If you did - you wouldn't work so hard to alienate people and you wouldn't make yourself part of the problem - which you are. Do you think that the people responsible for this problem want us to continue have the quality of dialog you are currently taking part in so we don't pay attention to 'real' issues. Edited June 24, 2010 by Duchess Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I don't think he is old enough to lived through the FDR Administration. If the notion of internment camps bothered you as much as they bothered me then why didn't you select to not say anything about what I'm referring to either? I'll select to not be surprised on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Do you people get any work done at your job? Look bushwiped, Obama fired me because I mouthed off to him and Al Gore raped me. I'd say it's a pretty f'n bad week. :madandsad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Look bushwiped, Obama fired me because I mouthed off to him and Al Gore raped me. I'd say it's a pretty f'n bad week. :madandsad: seriously at this one . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 If the notion of internment camps bothered you as much as they bothered me then why didn't you select to not say anything about what I'm referring to either? I'll select to not be surprised on this one... Actually I do have a problem with American citizens being arrested and held indefinitely, and am on record as saying as much. I'll fully admit that I don't have much problem with foreign enemy combatants being held indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Actually I do have a problem with American citizens being arrested and held indefinitely, and am on record as saying as much. I'll fully admit that I don't have much problem with foreign enemy combatants being held indefinitely. Any US citizen accused of being an enemy combatant should have his day in court to disprove those charges, which of course wasn't done in what I'm referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Any US citizen accused of being an enemy combatant should have his day in court to disprove those charges, which of course wasn't done in what I'm referring to. I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) so - in two weeks you can't get people to buy into a shadow government that has been there for years and years and years and controlling information to keep things from the people - so you give up and start rolling with this nonsense. Nonsense? Alienating? Wow, I was going for entertaining and enlightening. Oops. Okay, the jig is up. I am actually a double agent send in to test you people to see how well you were adapting to the "change" we have initiated. Looks like everything is okee-dokee. So I'll just be on my way then... Oh yeah except Perch, you'll be hearing from one of our people shortly. Edited June 24, 2010 by rattsass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Nonsense? Alienating? Wow, I was going for entertaining and enlightening. Oops. Okay, the jig is up. I am actually a double agent send in to test you people to see how well you were adapting to the "change" we have initiated. Looks like everything is okee-dokee. So I'll just be on my way then... Oh yeah except Perch, you'll be hearing from one of our people shortly. You are not Double Agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 You are not Double Agent. You'll be hearing from our people too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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