hawke23 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Anyone? I lost by .5 pts...ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 He was not an elgible receiver because he was under center, thus the play was called back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerLeagueQB Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) He was not an elgible receiver because he was under center, thus the play was called back. Translation? So QBs cant hand off the ball and then catch it on the same play? That's kind of a stupid rule. Edited October 12, 2010 by BeerLeagueQB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Translation? IIRC, a QB can be a receiver out of the shotgun but is ineligible if he takes the snap under center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 It was a penalty, so it doesnt count . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 IIRC, a QB can be a receiver out of the shotgun but is ineligible if he takes the snap under center. correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 IIRC, a QB can be a receiver out of the shotgun but is ineligible if he takes the snap under center. Thank you ursa - was wondering about this. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't think Michaels and Collinsowrth did a good job of explaining it at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankerboy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Clearly the NFL is opposed to "The Waterboy" play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 IIRC, a QB can be a receiver out of the shotgun but is ineligible if he takes the snap under center. One has to wonder why that particular rule was put into place. Doesn't seem to be an "unfair" practice at first glance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 NFL is full of oddities. I never understood why, when a quarterback takes a knee behind the line of scrimmage and is touched, its not ruled a sack...when in any other circumstance where he is ruled down by the hand of a defender behind the line, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 NFL is full of oddities. I never understood why, when a quarterback takes a knee behind the line of scrimmage and is touched, its not ruled a sack...when in any other circumstance where he is ruled down by the hand of a defender behind the line, it is. He was not trying to throw a pass, so it is a negative running play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 He was not trying to throw a pass, so it is a negative running play. So its an interpretation? If the QB takes the snap out of the shotgun, and rolls out and is tackled....is it a sack? or does someone have to interpret whether he was looking for a WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 So its an interpretation? If the QB takes the snap out of the shotgun, and rolls out and is tackled....is it a sack? or does someone have to interpret whether he was looking for a WR? It is indeed an interpretation. Sometimes a sack/run play gets reversed during official reviews of game fime to make official statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 NFL is full of oddities. I never understood why, when a quarterback takes a knee behind the line of scrimmage and is touched, its not ruled a sack...when in any other circumstance where he is ruled down by the hand of a defender behind the line, it is. Along this line, why is clocking the ball not considered intentional grounding, when it is quite obvious that the QB is literally grounding the ball? As far as the Favre play, I can't believe when they were practicing the play all week that nobody on the practice field knew it was illegal. I'm thinking this particular rule has something to do with QB protection. If he was an eligible receiver, he could be jammed and knocked around like he was one. Kind of a weird one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Along this line, why is clocking the ball not considered intentional grounding, when it is quite obvious that the QB is literally grounding the ball? Rule interpretation was that he was not trying to avoid being sacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Thank you ursa - was wondering about this. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't think Michaels and Collinsowrth did a good job of explaining it at the time. Michaels and Collinsworth work Sunday Nights on NBC. And I recall Tireco explaining that a qb is ineligable if he takes the snap under center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Rule interpretation was that he was not trying to avoid being sacked. Well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttwarrior4 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 it was a penalty but not because of favre or moss. the dallas cowboys used to hand the ball off and then the rb or wr would pass the ball to danny white. They did it all the time. I did it in high school and on a semi pro team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 NFL is full of oddities. I never understood why, when a quarterback takes a knee behind the line of scrimmage and is touched, its not ruled a sack...when in any other circumstance where he is ruled down by the hand of a defender behind the line, it is. Another one I learned while Cutler was having his ass handed to him by the NY Giants is that if a QB runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage even without being touched, it's a sack, not just a rushing loss. I guess I should have known that but didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrick35 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 (edited) Rule interpretation was that he was not trying to avoid being sacked. Spiking the ball to stop the clock is a rules EXCEPTION not an interpretation. It is actually considered an illegal forward pass to purposely throw an incomplete pass just to stop the clock. The exception to that is if the pass is thrown immediately after a direct hand to hand snap(QB under center) this is legal and done all the time. Case example - If a QB is lined up in the shotgun formation, receives the snap and then spikes the ball, this is a foul. It is an Illegal forward pass resulting in a 5 yard penalty and a loss of down. Edited October 14, 2010 by Jrick35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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