Azazello1313 Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Also, ever thought that it's the citizens of those states that you call "unfree" that have opted for their laws as opposed to the government foisting laws upon them? Maybe they think their lives are actually better that way. well I kind of presume that's the case, to a large degree. the people who deliver more government supervision and intrusion generally campaign and get elected being at least somewhat forthright about their plans. so yeah, people by and large are happy to vote away their liberty in the name of security (or whatever). ben franklin had some famous thoughts on that, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 well I kind of presume that's the case, to a large degree. the people who deliver more government supervision and intrusion generally campaign and get elected being at least somewhat forthright about their plans. so yeah, people by and large are happy to vote away their liberty in the name of security (or whatever). ben franklin had some famous thoughts on that, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 well I kind of presume that's the case, to a large degree. the people who deliver more government supervision and intrusion generally campaign and get elected being at least somewhat forthright about their plans. so yeah, people by and large are happy to vote away their liberty in the name of security (or whatever). ben franklin had some famous thoughts on that, by the way. Ben Franklin was, of course, right. But Ben Franklin never lived in Chicago or LA either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 ummm, auto insurance is a must imo. Nod as that's a responsibility and I'm in favor of seatbelts also. Been wearin' the belt since 1974. It's automatic w/ me. Don't get me started on helmet laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ben Franklin was, of course, right. But Ben Franklin never lived in Chicago or LA either. no but he liked french chicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) Ben Franklin was, of course, right. But Ben Franklin never lived in Chicago or LA either. I think your insinuation is rather thin. TX is #5 on the list with the #4, 6, 28 and 35 biggest metro population areas. CO is #2 on the list with the #21 biggest metro area. among others in the top 10, missouri, arizona, tennessee and virginia all have big population centers with lots of poverty and minorities and whatever other challenges you think goes along with living in Chicago or LA. it seems like a pretty weak excuse. Edited October 21, 2010 by Azazello1313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicster Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ben Franklin was, of course, right. But Ben Franklin never lived in Chicago or LA either. Freedom is freedom, whether it is in colonial Pennsylvania or in modern Chicago or LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 most interesting thing in the whole damn link: Michigan shocked us when it came in first on economic regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 most interesting thing in the whole damn link: Apparently having no economy is a bonus for this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 most interesting thing in the whole damn link: Very strict zoning laws and high percentage of union affiliation would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 not that anybody cares, but I have a paper on the verge of publication (fingers crossed) that finds that economic freedom is generally associated with higher economic growth (although this finding does not hold for all subcomponents of economic freedom). paper just got accepted for publication this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 paper just got accepted for publication this morning Congrats!!! Publish or perish, my friend... Wait, you have tenure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 paper just got accepted for publication this morning That penthouse 100$ should be used to buy the kids something nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 paper just got accepted for publication this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Nod as that's a responsibility and I'm in favor of seatbelts also. Been wearin' the belt since 1974. It's automatic w/ me. Don't get me started on helmet laws. Completely agree, and interestingly enough, seatbelt and helmet laws ARE actually part of the libertarian platform. No lie. I've even heard "radical" libertarians such as Ralph Nader argue in favor of this. Basically, the libertarianism I subscribe to, is defined as: You have the right to be free to do as wish, but if you impede on someone elses' liberty, then you are to be held personally accountable and responsible. And since you cannot guarantee that a person has the income to reimburse for peeling his ass off the pavement, just because he was negligent and didn't take the proper precautions, then it comes out of the tax-payers' wallets, and that becomes a case of impeding on our liberty. Thus is why it is, and should be, against the law. And in other news, Ron Paul is still the mother f'in man. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Washington at #44? I never knew I had such heavy shackles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Completely agree, and interestingly enough, seatbelt and helmet laws ARE actually part of the libertarian platform. No lie. I've even heard "radical" libertarians such as Ralph Nader argue in favor of this. Basically, the libertarianism I subscribe to, is defined as: You have the right to be free to do as wish, but if you impede on someone elses' liberty, then you are to be held personally accountable and responsible. And since you cannot guarantee that a person has the income to reimburse for peeling his ass off the pavement, just because he was negligent and didn't take the proper precautions, then it comes out of the tax-payers' wallets, and that becomes a case of impeding on our liberty. Thus is why it is, and should be, against the law. And in other news, Ron Paul is still the mother f'in man. That is all. I never considered Ralph Nader a real libertarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 23, 2010 Author Share Posted October 23, 2010 ..."radical" libertarians such as Ralph Nader ... dude is one of the most UN-libertarian people on the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 dude is one of the most UN-libertarian people on the planet. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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