tbimm Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Will it be Mannings replacement and if so who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 With any Luck it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 With any Luck it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think KC has something to say about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Despite MIN's "best" effort, that week 5 IND vs KC game seems to have immense implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think KC has something to say about this. Don't they still owe Cassel a small fortune of a thrid world country and the left testy from owner Clark Hunt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injendsm Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think KC has something to say about this. Don't forget about Miami. They are in full on "Suck for Luck" mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Don't they still owe Cassel a small fortune of a thrid world country and the left testy from owner Clark Hunt? I'm not sure the total of Cassel's contract, but the word is he is going to be cut after this offseason regardless of if they win the Luck sweepstakes or not. What people are failing to look at is the new Rookie Salery scale. Luck will be the #1 pick regardless of which team has the pick. That's even if say Jax wins it. Luck is just too valuable at that price. You draft him and then worry about everything else later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I'm not sure the total of Cassel's contract, but the word is he is going to be cut after this offseason regardless of if they win the Luck sweepstakes or not. What people are failing to look at is the new Rookie Salery scale. Luck will be the #1 pick regardless of which team has the pick. That's even if say Jax wins it. Luck is just too valuable at that price. You draft him and then worry about everything else later. How much do you think Luck is kicking himself in the a$$ for not coming out last draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Don't they still owe Cassel a small fortune of a thrid world country and the left testy from owner Clark Hunt? link 7/14/2009: Signed a six-year, $63 million contract. The deal contains $28 million guaranteed, including a $10 million roster bonus in the first year. 2011: $4.75 million (+ $7.5 million option bonus), 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $7.5 million, 2014: $9 million, 2015: Free Agent So if KC were to cut Cassel after this season, they would save $21.75M over the next 3 years, but would have to absorb a $14M cap hit for his accelerated bonuses. That would amount to an $8.75M cap hit against the 2012 cap if he were cut before June 1st, 2012. They would then save all of his 2013 and 2014 salaries and have their 2013 cap clear of him. If he were cut on or after June 1st, 2012, KC would take a $1.75M cap hit against 2012 and would have to carry a $7M cap hit into 2013, but would save in overall salary by not carrying his 2013 $7.5M salary - meaning they would save $0.5M overall in 2013. They would then save his 2014 salary. The second scenario seems to be very feasible, and therefore likely, were KC to manage to play its way into pick 1.01 of the 2012 draft. They could also carry Cassel for one more year at $5.25M, which is pretty reasonable for a NFL backup QB, and then cut him after June 1st 2013 for a $2.83M cap savings in 2013 and carrying a $4.33M hit against 2014, but weighted against his 2014 salary of $9M that wouldn't be paid - saving overall $4.33M against the 2014 books. That also seems very feasible and therefore very possible, and would give a guy like Luck a security blanket in his 1st year. Edited September 26, 2011 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Despite MIN's "best" effort, that week 5 IND vs KC game seems to have immense implications. Well, and this weeks game against Minnesota. If the Chiefs play like they did this past weekend, we may just play our way out of the Luckstakes because I could actually see them winning the game this week and against Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 How much do you think Luck is kicking himself in the a$$ for not coming out last draft? Because of the new rookie cap? It was already in place for this past draft class. Now, I don't think the cap changes things so much that a team that just drafted a QB high and likes him will take Luck if they get #1. For instance, Jacksonville. They're likely going to have an entire year to see Gabbert. And if he's progressing, they may not want to scrap everything and start over. Of course, if he's playing well enough that they want to keep him, they may not end up with the worst record. However, what it does mean is that whomever ends up at #1, provided they have a QB they like already, will be able to get some real value for that pick, far more than in recent years when teams didn't want to give up much for the "right" to pay some kid $60 million before he ever stepped on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Because of the new rookie cap? It was already in place for this past draft class. Now, I don't think the cap changes things so much that a team that just drafted a QB high and likes him will take Luck if they get #1. For instance, Jacksonville. They're likely going to have an entire year to see Gabbert. And if he's progressing, they may not want to scrap everything and start over. Of course, if he's playing well enough that they want to keep him, they may not end up with the worst record. However, what it does mean is that whomever ends up at #1, provided they have a QB they like already, will be able to get some real value for that pick, far more than in recent years when teams didn't want to give up much for the "right" to pay some kid $60 million before he ever stepped on the field. I agree with most of what you're saying, but regardless of the teams QB situation sitting at #1 Luck will be the pick. I think there's going to be more value taking him than even trying to trade the pick. That's even if say Carolina gets #1. They will take Luck and trade 1 of the 2 QB's they would have. Keep in mind we're talking about the top QB prospect of all time. Edited September 26, 2011 by Capt. Stanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Let's also realize with the new rookie cap. even if teams don't finish with the worst record that it is much more feasible to trade into the top of the 1st round now than it used to be - especially for a franchise QB who has very few flaws in his game and is pro-ready. So I agree that Luck would be the first pick, and even if a team had 1.01 and had its QB in place, they could field the best offers from needy teams and actually pull off that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I agree with most of what you're saying, but regardless of the teams QB situation sitting at #1 Luck will be the pick. I think there's going to be more value taking him than even trying to trade the pick. That's even if say Carolina gets #1. They will take Luck and trade 1 of the 2 QB's they would have. Keep in mind we're talking about the top QB prospect of all time. Which is why the trade value already exists. Thing is, the only thing you're going to learn in camp and practice is that he's "getting it". You're a few years away from knowing if you've truly gotten a guy worthy of the hype. That is, unless you bench the kid who you just drafted to be the QB of the future right away and hand the reigns to Luck, despite the fact that the other kid has made good progress and you've got a ton of money and time invested in him. Only, in the meantime, you've got big money tied up in him and pretty big money tied up in whatever QB you took high this year (Newton, Gabbart, what-have-you). Also, you've got a messed up QB controversy going on constantly. You think it's ugly in Denver right now? And that's because of a project QB who many don't think has the skill set to make it as a pro QB. Can you imagine what crap storm it would be if someone had a 2nd year QB who looks like he's got the goods and the most coveted QB prospect in years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Let's also realize with the new rookie cap. even if teams don't finish with the worst record that it is much more feasible to trade into the top of the 1st round now than it used to be - especially for a franchise QB who has very few flaws in his game and is pro-ready. So I agree that Luck would be the first pick, and even if a team had 1.01 and had its QB in place, they could field the best offers from needy teams and actually pull off that trade. This is a really good point. If the Chiefs actually end up in this spot, I could see them trading OUT more than taking Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Not so sure Peyton would be so keen on the idea. If he completely heals from this neck thing, I'd bet he has designs on sticking around another 3-4 years at least. Doubt that you can leave Luck holding a clipboard for that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Indy's first pick will be an Offensive Lineman, unless a super stud LB is out there Edited September 26, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 No way either Jax or Carolina would take Luck if they had the first overall pick. Wouldn't happen. Even for trade bait. That said, it's gonna be the Colts anyway and they WILL take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't watch college ball. With that being said, is Luck really THAT good? People have been crowning him the next coming since February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Not so sure Peyton would be so keen on the idea. If he completely heals from this neck thing, I'd bet he has designs on sticking around another 3-4 years at least. Doubt that you can leave Luck holding a clipboard for that long. Colts got caught with their pants down - it won't happen again. Much better problem to figure out what to do with two really good QB's than not having any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't watch college ball. With that being said, is Luck really THAT good? People have been crowning him the next coming since February. Currently yes, he is. It's a long season and anything can happen (they were saying the same things last year about Locker) but had he come out he would almost certainly have been #1 overall this year, and at worst top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Colts got caught with their pants down - it won't happen again. Much better problem to figure out what to do with two really good QB's than not having any. Yes, but with the #1 overall if you plan on playing Peyton for 3+ more years??? Don't think so. There are other ways to get a decent backup. Edited September 26, 2011 by SecondString Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSupe4You Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 They sure looked a lot better against Pittsburgh then Seattle did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Yes, but with the #1 overall if you plan on playing Peyton for 3+ more years??? Don't think so. There are other ways to get a decent backup. Yes, because there is no certainty it's 3+ years. He might already be done. He might get hit in week 1, feel the scraping of a screw along his freaking SPINE and decide he'd rather be the only Manning that can speak without slobbering all over himself. He might play 3+ years and, like Rogers, allow the QB behind him to learn at a more natural pace. Again, nice problem to have vs. the debacle the team is at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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