delfamdelfam Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8207145/source-pittsburgh-steelers-lock-wr-antonio-brown-5-year-425-million-deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 This means they will have to do better for Wallace. Frankly I think they should have taken care of Wallace first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 This means they will have to do better for Wallace. Frankly I think they should have taken care of Wallace first. Brown is the better receiver. During the 2nd half of the year, it was clear who had emerged as Roethlisberger's #1 receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Brown is the better receiver. During the 2nd half of the year, it was clear who had emerged as Roethlisberger's #1 receiver. based on 1 year? (yes I know he caught a few passes in 2010) with I assume Wallace drawing more coverage than him? Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 It's too bad none of the Steeler brass plays FFB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 based on 1 year? (yes I know he caught a few passes in 2010) with I assume Wallace drawing more coverage than him? Wow +1 I love Brown as much as the next guy but it's too early to judge. Wallace does have BLAZING speed that I think a lot of people are forgetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 based on 1 year? (yes I know he caught a few passes in 2010) with I assume Wallace drawing more coverage than him? Wow Wallace is a deep threat. He is not good at going over the middle or making the big 3rd down catches. Brown can take it to the house, go deep, and is also good across the middle and on 3rd downs. I've been saying Brown is better than Wallace since the middle of last year. It looks like the Steelers front office agrees with me. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Maybe they have offered Wallace the same or slighty more and he turned it down? He wanted Fitzgerald money, that offer is not Fitzgerald money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Wallace took an untenable position and refused to budge off of it by all accounts, He insisted on being paid like Fitz or CJ. PIT wouldn't ever pay Wallace that kind of money. Wallace decided to play hard ball and PIT showed him what playing hardball really was. This pretty much shows everyone that Wallace could have had a big contract in pretty short order, and also shows that PIT thinks they can move forward with Brown and Sanders and still be as effective a passing team as they could with Wallace. That doesn't mean that either Brown or Sanders are as good as Wallace - which has yet to be determined, IMO - but rather that the passing game can function as effectively with those 2 starting. That's very possible. Wallace made his own bed. Now he is being made to lie in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Wallace is a deep threat. He is not good at going over the middle or making the big 3rd down catches. Brown can take it to the house, go deep, and is also good across the middle and on 3rd downs. I've been saying Brown is better than Wallace since the middle of last year. It looks like the Steelers front office agrees with me. Wow. well, if you've been saying it since then it must be true. nice job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Wallace is a deep threat. He is not good at going over the middle or making the big 3rd down catches. Brown can take it to the house, go deep, and is also good across the middle and on 3rd downs. I've been saying Brown is better than Wallace since the middle of last year. It looks like the Steelers front office agrees with me. Wow. This is entirely untrue. KC Joyner wrote up a piece a while back that showed by the numbers Mike Wallace was better at short, medium, and long distance routes than Brown. The Steelers chose to run Wallace deep because he's so good at it, but he has great metrics on the shorter stuff where he accumulates YAC. Now, Joyner argues Wallace is the best WR in the NFL, and I'm not taking that stance, but I'll try to dig up the article later. Brown is a result of Mike Wallace drawing constant double teams. He's no better than a #2 WR, and now a very expensive one. Terrible descision by the Steelers. Wallace was being a d!ck, but IMO he's easily worth the premium over Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Wallace took an untenable position and refused to budge off of it by all accounts, He insisted on being paid like Fitz or CJ. PIT wouldn't ever pay Wallace that kind of money. Wallace decided to play hard ball and PIT showed him what playing hardball really was. This pretty much shows everyone that Wallace could have had a big contract in pretty short order, and also shows that PIT thinks they can move forward with Brown and Sanders and still be as effective a passing team as they could with Wallace. That doesn't mean that either Brown or Sanders are as good as Wallace - which has yet to be determined, IMO - but rather that the passing game can function as effectively with those 2 starting. That's very possible. Wallace made his own bed. Now he is being made to lie in it. Honestly, I hope he doesn't break and sign the tender for 2.8 million or whatever it is. If he got this far he has to either get his contract, demand a trade, or just continue the holdout. I think PIT will miss him more than they think also. Brown is great, but Wallace really stretched the field in a way few NFL players can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 well, if you've been saying it since then it must be true. nice job! Dude, it is just my opinion, relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 This is entirely untrue. KC Joyner wrote up a piece a while back that showed by the numbers Mike Wallace was better at short, medium, and long distance routes than Brown. The Steelers chose to run Wallace deep because he's so good at it, but he has great metrics on the shorter stuff where he accumulates YAC. Now, Joyner argues Wallace is the best WR in the NFL, and I'm not taking that stance, but I'll try to dig up the article later. Brown is a result of Mike Wallace drawing constant double teams. He's no better than a #2 WR, and now a very expensive one. Terrible descision by the Steelers. Wallace was being a d!ck, but IMO he's easily worth the premium over Brown. I'd be interested in seeing what numbers could prove that Wallace is better on the short, medium routes. I'm just giving my opinion as a die-hard Steeler fan that doesn't miss a play. I feel that Antonio Brown is the better overall receiver, and I think the remainder of his career will prove that. I disagree that he is no better than a #2 WR, and I also disagree that Wallace was drawing constant double teams, especially during the 2nd half of the year. I've been wrong before, but, that is just my opinion based on what I've seen., Also, if I had a dollar for every time someone said the Steelers made a terrible decision, which turned out to be a good decision, I'd be a rich man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) I'd be interested in seeing what numbers could prove that Wallace is better on the short, medium routes. I'm just giving my opinion as a die-hard Steeler fan that doesn't miss a play. I feel that Antonio Brown is the better overall receiver, and I think the remainder of his career will prove that. I disagree that he is no better than a #2 WR, and I also disagree that Wallace was drawing constant double teams, especially during the 2nd half of the year. I've been wrong before, but, that is just my opinion based on what I've seen., Also, if I had a dollar for every time someone said the Steelers made a terrible decision, which turned out to be a good decision, I'd be a rich man. Well, I'm going to apologize and put my foot in my mouth...I found in a chat that Joyner remarked the Brown was top notch at the medium depth routes but Wallace excelled at deep and short routes. He did say Brown was in the 2nd tier in the league on these though, certainly very good. A google search can pull up the midseason article with all the stats of how Wallace had better metrics than Megatron across the board...but mideason articles are pretty worthless. I swear I read a post-season evaluation, but I can't find it on ESPN insider right now. My question is this though - the 2nd half of the season when Brown exploded, Wallace drew tons of double/bracket coverage. Is Antonio Brown good enough to profile as a #1 when all the attention is devoted to him (if they were to move Wallace)? I personally don't see it, but you obviously watch more Steelers than me and obviously, as you said, the front office agrees with you. Meanwhile, if I'm another team, I'd offer the Steelers a 2nd round pick for Wallace in a heartbeat. I'd take a guaranteed difference maker for a 2nd any day of the week if I run a team with a good cap situation. Edited July 28, 2012 by Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm74 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) Does it matter which receiver is better? They are both great players with perhaps marginal differences. Wallace faster...sure, but Brown is much more intelligent. From what I have seen in interviews with Brown is he is a true blue Steeler. I mean straight from the mold. It was smart of them to get him tied up to a long term deal. Most importantly the Steelers technically have Wallace locked up for 2 years. Why budge off this position for crazy money that could jeopardize future signings? What is going to happen? Will Wallace no show or come into the next two season playing subpar. I seriously doubt that. If he holds out all he is doing is hurting his future price tag. Wallace will have to budge at some point, b/c the Steelers WILL NOT talk to him until he comes to camp...i.e. Hines Ward. Edited July 28, 2012 by Grimm74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Rugby Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 IMO Wallace is asking for stud money for a few good seasons the Steerlers are not willing to pay. The Brown signing makes me think they are futher apart than anticipated. As far as who is better? It is hard to say as they are close. Maybe another reason Brown got the contract. It will be interesting to see Wallace's next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Well, I'm going to apologize and put my foot in my mouth...I found in a chat that Joyner remarked the Brown was top notch at the medium depth routes but Wallace excelled at deep and short routes. He did say Brown was in the 2nd tier in the league on these though, certainly very good. A google search can pull up the midseason article with all the stats of how Wallace had better metrics than Megatron across the board...but mideason articles are pretty worthless. I swear I read a post-season evaluation, but I can't find it on ESPN insider right now. My question is this though - the 2nd half of the season when Brown exploded, Wallace drew tons of double/bracket coverage. Is Antonio Brown good enough to profile as a #1 when all the attention is devoted to him (if they were to move Wallace)? I personally don't see it, but you obviously watch more Steelers than me and obviously, as you said, the front office agrees with you. Meanwhile, if I'm another team, I'd offer the Steelers a 2nd round pick for Wallace in a heartbeat. I'd take a guaranteed difference maker for a 2nd any day of the week if I run a team with a good cap situation. Don't get me wrong, Wallace is a VERY good receiver. I just think that Brown is a better all-around receiver than Wallace, but, it's close. I'm still hopeful that they end up keeping all three of them in Pittsburgh (Brown, Wallace & Sanders), but, I think Wallace will play out this year and a team will offer money for him that the Steelers won't feel is worth matching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Meanwhile, if I'm another team, I'd offer the Steelers a 2nd round pick for Wallace in a heartbeat. I'd take a guaranteed difference maker for a 2nd any day of the week if I run a team with a good cap situation. Now how about if you were another team and had to give up a 2nd rounder for him, and then had to pay him CJ money to get him on the field. Would you still do it in a heartbeat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Now how about if you were another team and had to give up a 2nd rounder for him, and then had to pay him CJ money to get him on the field. Would you still do it in a heartbeat? Cap management is what wins in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh2 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I believe that Wallace must report to the Steelers by week 10 to accure a year of playing for free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) I believe that Wallace must report to the Steelers by week 10 to accure a year of playing for free agency. I don't think that's accurate. That was under the old CBA. I believe that has changed. I'll need to look it up. ETA - found it link August 9 Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs to earn an Accrued Season for free agency. Edited July 28, 2012 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I think he needs to report 10 days Before game 1! Would not be surprised if it came down to the very last day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Cap management is what wins in this league. Win regular season games maybe, but not Super Bowls because the Eagles are very good at cap management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Win regular season games maybe, but not Super Bowls because the Eagles are very good at cap management. Especially when it comes to O-line & D-line, huh GB? They're not great cap managers - they throw a ton of money at the sexy positions on each side of the ball and fail to pay to get and keep top quality guys where it really counts. Now NE, they know how to manage a cap - and look who they are playing hardball with and won't pay an uber-permium to: One of the most productive WRs in the game today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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