Brentastic Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Is a series achieving 1 first down, or is it an entire drive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 I believe you would be referring to an entire drive....first down though punt/score/or turnover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) I look at a series as being each set of downs and then multiple series being a drive. Edited December 29, 2004 by max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted December 29, 2004 Author Share Posted December 29, 2004 I guess it's not a stupid question after all. I've never thought about it until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 One or more downs = one series, one or more series = one drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted December 29, 2004 Author Share Posted December 29, 2004 One or more downs = one series, one or more series = one drive. 634626[/snapback] That's what I thought, or else it would just be called a drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 One or more downs = one series, one or more series = one drive. 634626[/snapback] what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 According to nfl.com: Downs are a series of offensive plays. Working on seeing if they define a drive as a series of series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 okay.. So, I think a very complete definition is this: A series is any grouping of plays that results in either a first down, a punt, a score or a turnover. So, if a team gets a first down on a 3rd and 2 pass, the "series: was the group of plays fromthe 1st and 10 up to that first down. at that point, a new series begins. So, a "series" could technically be only one play if a first down is achieved on 1st and 10. A drive is the total accumulation of plays from the onset of possession up until a team either scores, puntsor commits a turnover. So, a series can be made up of 1 or more plays. A drive is made up of 1 or more series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) okay.. So, I think a very complete definition is this: A series is any grouping of plays that results in either a first down, a punt, a score or a turnover. So, if a team gets a first down on a 3rd and 2 pass, the "series: was the group of plays fromthe 1st and 10 up to that first down. at that point, a new series begins. So, a "series" could technically be only one play if a first down is achieved on 1st and 10. A drive is the total accumulation of plays from the onset of possession up until a team either scores, puntsor commits a turnover. So, a series can be made up of 1 or more plays. A drive is made up of 1 or more series. 634959[/snapback] I disagree. I don't think a series ends with a first down. When the Packers say Favre will play 2 series in the preseason, he plays two "drives"....ending in either a punt, turnover or a score. First downs are part of a series. To use Tim Couch as an example: Couch plays 6 series Edited December 29, 2004 by Sores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Definitions from ""Football Made Simple: A Spectator's Guide", found at this link Drive the series of plays a team puts together in an attempt to score Series the group of 4 downs a team has to advance 10 yards So, based on that, when a team says a player is going ot play X number of seris, they are interchanging series for drive, which based on these definitions, is technically incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) So you are saying all the sportswriters around the country have it wrong? I could post 100 links to references to series which are in essence also known as drives. I defer to the writers and opt not to side with "football made simple". To each his own when it comes to semantics. A lot of these "definitions" are less than solid...sorry. Edited December 29, 2004 by Sores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Personally I think they are used interchangeably by the general public, but, in the strictest sense of trying to define them, I believe the definitions for the items provided by the above referenced link are not a bad starting point. One thing is for sure, a drive, as teams use drive charts, NFL.com and other sources provide drive charts, etc., is a summary of all plays from the point possession is gained until there is either a score, punt or turnover. If a series is the same thing as a drive is up for debate. Certianly the term is thrown around as having the same definition, and it could easily be as I have yet to finda corroborating source to the one above other than several other sitesusing the same source for their definitions. Sometimes the "series" of downs beginning with first down is referred to as a set of downs, so, if you are agreeable, we could say that a "set" of downs begins on 1st down and ends when either a new first down is made (at which point a new 'set' begins), there is a punt or a turnover, and a group of one or more "sets" constitutes a "drive", and a "drive" is synonymous with "series" in today's common semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 okay.. So, I think a very complete definition is this: A series is any grouping of plays that results in either a first down, a punt, a score or a turnover. So, if a team gets a first down on a 3rd and 2 pass, the "series: was the group of plays fromthe 1st and 10 up to that first down. at that point, a new series begins. So, a "series" could technically be only one play if a first down is achieved on 1st and 10. A drive is the total accumulation of plays from the onset of possession up until a team either scores, puntsor commits a turnover. So, a series can be made up of 1 or more plays. A drive is made up of 1 or more series. 634959[/snapback] Plagiarist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Mania Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 I disagree. I don't think a series ends with a first down. When the Packers say Favre will play 2 series in the preseason, he plays two "drives"....ending in either a punt, turnover or a score. First downs are part of a series. To use Tim Couch as an example: Couch plays 6 series 635075[/snapback] If Tim Couch is being used as the example, it should be: "Tim Couch series-ly sucks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Mania Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) I'm gonna spend the rest of my liver using these two terms as interchangeable, redundant, saying the same thing. Does that make me a bad person? Edited December 29, 2004 by Bengal Mania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 I'm gonna spend the rest of my lives using these two terms as interchangeable, redundant, saying the same thing. Does that make me a bad person? 635310[/snapback] Lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Plagiarist. 635210[/snapback] Wrote that all out myself, so whom did I plagiarize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Mania Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Lives? 635315[/snapback] thanks, I fixed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Wrote that all out myself, so whom did I plagiarize? 635328[/snapback] One or more downs = one series, one or more series = one drive. 634626[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 635493[/snapback] I just made it prettier.. besides you should be happy to have someone agreeing with you for once..... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 I just made it prettier.. besides you should be happy to have someone agreeing with you for once..... lol 635615[/snapback] I'm ecstatic...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) Brett Favre is going to play this series of downs and then sit his arse down. That doesn't mean that he is going to play three downs. It means that he is going to stay on the field until his offense has either scored or has been stopped. Edited: This doesn't mean that he plays all four quarters while playing the Vikes just because they can't stop him. Edited December 29, 2004 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 I guess it's not a stupid question after all. I've never thought about it until now. 634624[/snapback] No, it isn't, really. Because, as someone mentioned, it seems to be used instead of drive by many writers and coaches. I always assume (with emphasis on the a$$ because, well you know how the saying goes) that when an article, or coach, states that they expect them to play one series, maybe two, I take that to mean one drive, maybe two drives. You'll hear coaches say we're going to alternate backs every series and what you usually see is one RB is in for a drive then the other one comes in for the next drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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