masslefty33 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 1) Bill Belichick 2) Andy Reid 3) Brian Billick 4) Bill Parcells 5) Fox (car) worst 1) Mike Martz 2) Mike Tice 3) Norv Turner 4) Dennis Erickson 5) Herm Edwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Belichick, Cohwers and Fox would top my list Wannstadt and Butch Davis would be at the bottom. Martz, Tice and Edwards all got their teams to the playoffs ... all of them even won a playoff game on the road ... they aren't near the bottom of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Belichick, Cohwers and Fox would top my list Wannstadt and Butch Davis would be at the bottom. Martz, Tice and Edwards all got their teams to the playoffs ... all of them even won a playoff game on the road ... they aren't near the bottom of the list. 658295[/snapback] Personally, I think Cowher is seriously overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglytuna Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 BELICHICK WIES CRENNEL PARCELLS Ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Personally, I think Cowher is seriously overrated. 658302[/snapback] Hard to argue with his results ... a couple of years ago, at the end of the slash experiment I thought it was time for him to move on ... but he gets his team to the playoffs year in and year out ... he's never been able to finish the job though, I'll give you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Martz, Tice and Edwards all got their teams to the playoffs ... all of them even won a playoff game on the road ... they aren't near the bottom of the list. 658295[/snapback] Then you must not have watched many Jets, Vikes or Rams games. Horrible play calling, terrible clock management, bad decisions, no discipline, etc. Those 3 are on very top of my list, with Tice being the leader of the stooopid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Personally, I think Cowher is seriously overrated. 658302[/snapback] Cowher has been an extremly successful coach. What is up with you Squeeg.... The only thing keeping Cowher from that top echelon is that he hasn't won the big one yet. Hopefully that changes this year. He has his team playing in their 5th AFC Championship game in the last 9 years and has been to one Super Bowl. Those things don't happen by accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampnuts Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Best 1. Belichick 2. Fox - What he did with the injury ravaged panthers was amazing. 3. Mariucci 4. Reid - I don't think he gets credit for the personnel moves he makes. 5. Cowher Worst 1. Erickson - He's gone, but the guy's a loser 2. Martz - He inherited talent, but he's an arrogant dipsh*t 3. Tice 4. Green - He blew it with the McCown benching 5. Dungy- He's overrated, Tom Moore should get the credit for their success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglytuna Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Cowher has been an extremly successful coach. What is up with you Squeeg.... The only thing keeping Cowher from that top echelon is that he hasn't won the big one yet. Hopefully that changes this year. He has his team playing in their 5th AFC Championship game in the last 9 years and has been to one Super Bowl. Those things don't happen by accident. 658311[/snapback] Menudu, Listen to me and listen to me good. I said this since 1999. The Steelers will never win a Super Bowl as long as Cowher and Kordell Stewart are on the team. So you half the way there. Cowher belongs with Marv Levy, and Mary Ball. Ugly Tuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Best 2. Fox - What he did with the injury ravaged panthers was amazing. 658313[/snapback] He also took the hot head Steve Smith and turned him into a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Hard to argue with his results ... a couple of years ago, at the end of the slash experiment I thought it was time for him to move on ... but he gets his team to the playoffs year in and year out ... he's never been able to finish the job though, I'll give you that. 658308[/snapback] He's an excellent motivator. Bad at Xs and Os and horrible with clock management. He suceeds or fails based on the quality of his coordinators. Just look at the Steelers D - horrible last year, #1 in the league this year. Same head coach, mostly the same players - the difference is Dick LeBeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 He's an excellent motivator. Bad at Xs and Os and horrible with clock management. He suceeds or fails based on the quality of his coordinators. Just look at the Steelers D - horrible last year, #1 in the league this year. Same head coach, mostly the same players - the difference is Dick LeBeau. 658319[/snapback] IMO ... being a good HC is all about finding the right coordinators. You simply can not do it all. The HC's job is to bring it all together ... something Cowher has been very good at doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Then you must not have watched many Jets, Vikes or Rams games. Horrible play calling, terrible clock management, bad decisions, no discipline, etc. Those 3 are on very top of my list, with Tice being the leader of the stooopid. 658309[/snapback] I know where you are coming from ... and to an extent I agree. Martz insists on throwing the ball and ignoring the ground game. The Vikings have collapsed every year about mid-season. And for those reasons those guys wouldn't be my first choices either. But through it all they have been successful and in my book that puts them above the bottom of the pack. I'm not sure what you mean about Edwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I'll assume we are going active coaches here: 1. Bill Belicheck (I still don't know how to spell it) 2. Bill Parcells 3. Bill Cowher 4. Andy Reid 5. John Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Just not sold on Parcells ... his name is there based on past merit. Watching him this year I am not convinced he has anything left in the tank. He looked tired and dis-heartened and did not seem able to motivate his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 1) Bill Belichick 2) Andy Reid 3) John Fox 4) Brian Billick 5) Jeff Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrambled Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) Personally, I think Cowher is seriously overrated. 658302[/snapback] I can't believe i just read this from Squeegie :eek: :bigshock: So is he going to find a way to lose the game this weekend? Oh my coach choices are: 1) Bill Belichick 2) John Fox 3) Andy Reid 4) Brian Billick 5) Jeff Fisher Edited January 17, 2005 by Scrambled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I know where you are coming from ... and to an extent I agree. Martz insists on throwing the ball and ignoring the ground game. The Vikings have collapsed every year about mid-season. And for those reasons those guys wouldn't be my first choices either. But through it all they have been successful and in my book that puts them above the bottom of the pack. I'm not sure what you mean about Edwards. 658327[/snapback] See Blitz, here's the problem: Winning doesn't necessarily make a coach good. He may win because he has good players. For example, I think the Vikes would have done much better this season with a different head coach. Them getting to the playoffs wasn't a result of good coaching at all. Bad coaching is less about wins and losses, and more about good decisions, good motivation, good discipline, etc. Just because Tice and Martz and Edwards got them to the playoffs doesn't make them better coaches than Parcells. I know that's a bit extreme, but I think you get my point. Also, Herm Edwards and his clock management this ENTIRE season was absolutely atrocious. His decision making alone cost them the Steelers game. Edwards is a good motivator but has a lot of other SERIOUS coaching deficiencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 You have to like Bellichick. Not only has he won two rings with the Pats, but he was undefeated in his tenure as head coach of the New York Jets. (Or, as he said in his resignation letter - "HC of NYJ".) Then I'd go Parcells & Fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I can't believe i just read this from Squeegie :eek: :bigshock: So is he going to find a way to lose the game this weekend? 658367[/snapback] I didn't say that. I think the Steelers will win a close one. Nor did I say Cowher was a bad coach. Just that he is not up there with the best of the best. I'm guilty of homerism, but not blind homerism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I'm guilty of homerism, but not blind homerism. 658413[/snapback] Many people don't understand that concept ... I am often blasted when I take a realistic view of the Cowboys ... which unfortunately I've had to do for more years than I'd like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 1. DITKA 2. chuck noll 3. papa bear 4. don shula 5. tom landry 6. madden worst wanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Belichick, Cohwers and Fox would top my list Wannstadt and Butch Davis would be at the bottom. Martz, Tice and Edwards all got their teams to the playoffs ... all of them even won a playoff game on the road ... they aren't near the bottom of the list. 658295[/snapback] I can not stand Mike Martz and that goofy looking skirk he gets on his face. No matter what success the Rams had I do not attribute most of it to him. I like Tice and Edwards because they are players coaches, and those are the type of coahes I always enjoyed playing for (I guess that would be a given though, huh.) But Edwards seems to do a better job of handling his players and letting them though he is there for them, but he is still the coach. Tice doesn't have that IMO. Best 1. Belichick 2. Fox - What he did with the injury ravaged panthers was amazing. 3. Mariucci 4. Reid - I don't think he gets credit for the personnel moves he makes. 5. Cowher Worst 1. Erickson - He's gone, but the guy's a loser 2. Martz - He inherited talent, but he's an arrogant dipsh*t 3. Tice 4. Green - He blew it with the McCown benching 5. Dungy- He's overrated, Tom Moore should get the credit for their success. 658313[/snapback] I like Mooch, but don't think he would be on my top five list. Green gets at least a two season pass, for what he did with the Vikings. Sure they never won the big one under him, but he did have good success there. He gets a couple of years to get his guys in there. I do not think Dungy is overrated, because it was basically his team that won the SB for the Bucs. Anyway, here is my list: I am going with active coaches from the 2004 season. Top 5 1. Jon Gruden 2. Jim Mora, Jr. 3. Marvin Lewis 4. Brian Billick 5. Herm Edwards Bottom 5 1. Mike Martz 2. Dennis Erickson 3. Butch Davis 4. Mike Shanahan 5. Jim Hasslett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dick Juron Dennis Erickson Marty Morningweg Jim Haslett Wanny These are my top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dick JuronDennis Erickson Marty Morningweg Jim Haslett Wanny These are my top 5. 658446[/snapback] What about Rich Kotite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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