'canes2004 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Looks like KC may make a play for Surtain. Herald Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Praise the LORD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Not bad, not bad at all. He's worth more than a 2.15 and whatever a "later mid round pick" is - but its a move that would really help us with salary cap. Win-Win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted February 27, 2005 Author Share Posted February 27, 2005 Not bad, not bad at all. He's worth more than a 2.15 and whatever a "later mid round pick" is - but its a move that would really help us with salary cap. Win-Win 713680[/snapback] Agreed. The cap space is what we need most for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 How 'bout Priest Holmes for Surtain straight up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I also agree that Surtain is worth more than a 2:15. I'm surprised that is the best Miami can find in terms of offers. Has KC done something to create cap room? No way, based on the numbers I recently looked at they can afford Surtain without some other, rather significant salary cap moves. After the release of Holiday, KC is right at the cap figure. GM Peterson said they should be 4 to 5 mil under by March 2nd. I beleive he based that on info available BEFORE the Surtain deal came up, but I may be wrong on that. That was the big issue facing the Chiefs this year, no money on the cap to sign the D help they need so bad. Now, they can afford Surtain? Hmmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I also agree that Surtain is worth more than a 2:15. I'm surprised that is the best Miami can find in terms of offers. Has KC done something to create cap room? No way, based on the numbers I recently looked at they can afford Surtain without some other, rather significant salary cap moves. After the release of Holiday, KC is right at the cap figure. GM Peterson said they should be 4 to 5 mil under by March 2nd. I beleive he based that on info available BEFORE the Surtain deal came up, but I may be wrong on that. That was the big issue facing the Chiefs this year, no money on the cap to sign the D help they need so bad. Now, they can afford Surtain? Hmmmm.... 713709[/snapback] I'm guessing a long term deal with a signing bonus spread out over the term to minimize the cap number for this year. You may see Trent Green restructure for this year also since his cap number is so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 If I were King Carl, I'd ask nearly everyone on the defense to cut their number, "or else"... Heck, we need Surtain AND Law...ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 .... And with the 2.15 pick (thru KC) The Miami Dolphins draft Campbell QB Auburn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 How 'bout Priest Holmes for Surtain straight up? 713698[/snapback] I've been wondering about this for more than a month now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) How 'bout Priest Holmes for Surtain straight up? 713698[/snapback] VERY interesting! Edited February 28, 2005 by Chargerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 miami doesnt have the cap space is why. That is also why they are looking for draft picks, instead of players in return.... it's cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 How 'bout Priest Holmes for Surtain straight up? 713698[/snapback] how about Blaylock and a 1st rounder for Surtain?Thats a win-win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) how about Blaylock and a 1st rounder for Surtain?Thats a win-win 713921[/snapback] it would also be a steal-steal for the Dolphins. Nobody's gonna offer a first rounder for Surtain. Edited February 28, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted February 28, 2005 Author Share Posted February 28, 2005 it would also be a steal-steal for the Dolphins. Nobody's gonna offer a first rounder for Surtain. 713972[/snapback] Agreed. With the new no-contact rules in effect the value of a stud shut-down CB has gone down dramaticaly. He's still gonna make some team's defense improve it's pass coverage 10 fold but these new bullmanure rules hamper all DB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Agreed. With the new no-contact rules in effect the value of a stud shut-down CB has gone down dramaticaly. He's still gonna make some team's defense improve it's pass coverage 10 fold but these new bullmanure rules hamper all DB's. 714066[/snapback] Isnt Blaylock a UFA? No trade there ... KC is supposed to get a lot of cap room credit from the NFL due to likely to be earned bonuses which were not earned due to Priest and some others being hurt. That helps. I dont think the cap is that big an issue ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 And this from the KC Star: Chiefs consider Surtain By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star The Chiefs' search for a cornerback has started with Miami's Patrick Surtain but won't necessarily end there. President/general manager Carl Peterson talked with the Dolphins this weekend about a trade for Surtain, a two-time Pro Bowler. Complicating matters is that Surtain's contract is heading into its final season and the Chiefs won't make a trade without having him signed for the long term. Three other veteran cornerbacks, Tennessee's Samari Rolle, Washington's Fred Smoot and Seattle's Ken Lucas, are also on the Chiefs' priority list. Rolle, a favorite of defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, was released recently by the Titans in a cost-cutting move. He could visit with the Chiefs as soon as Wednesday. “It's in the hands of Miami,'' Peterson said of Surtain. “They're looking for a draft choice, and it's also in the hands of the agent, who's looking for a big contract. We've talked, but the number is too big. If it gets reasonable, then fine.'' Surtain played seven seasons for Miami and played in the Pro Bowl after the 2002 and 2003 seasons. “He's an All-Pro cornerback,'' Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. “He can play all the variations of coverage. He's a very talented guy. But there's other guys out there, too, and I just don't know right now just how this is going to end up.'' Ty Law, released by New England last week, is not on the Chiefs' priority list, though that could change. Law missed the last half of last season because of a foot injury. “There's mixed feelings about him,'' Vermeil said. “He's a high-quality player but he's got a long way to go on his rehab.'' The Chiefs plan to tender contract offers to three of their potential restricted free agents. Linebacker Scott Fujita, wide receiver Marc Boerigter and safety Shaunard Harts will receive one-year offers for $656,000. Each offer would give the Chiefs the right of first refusal if the player signs an offer sheet with another club. The Chiefs weren't planning to offer a contract to a fourth potential restricted free agent, fullback Omar Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizards Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Chiefs to get Law first IMO and look for Surtain as cherries on the cheesecake!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Chiefs to get Law first IMO and look for Surtain as cherries on the cheesecake!! 714560[/snapback] I could see them getting Samari Rolle and Surtain before Law and Surtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Just because Jason Whitlock (KC Star, The Sports Reporters, ESPN, etc) has HUGE THROBBING man-love for Ty Law does not mean that real fans want that old man with a bad wheel on our team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Just because Jason Whitlock (KC Star, The Sports Reporters, ESPN, etc) has HUGE THROBBING man-love for Ty Law does not mean that real fans want that old man with a bad wheel on our team... 714589[/snapback] No doubt. A TON of risk for him right now, and for what he would cost you could improve so many other areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I could see them getting Samari Rolle and Surtain before Law and Surtain. 714574[/snapback] Agreed. Gunther apparently loves Rolle. We will see ... I dream of football with no Burntee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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