I Like Soup Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I have been a longtime fan of Greg Maddux mostly because he hasn't been able to rely on blowing hitters away but outthinking them and relying on his knowledge of pitching. Of course, the years seem to have whittled away at something as Mad Dog's ERA steadily climbs each year, as do the number of home runs he allows. In the late 90's I probably would have argued Maddux was on par with Clemens for this generation's best pitcher...but Clemens has left him in the dust. What do y'all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I have been a longtime fan of Greg Maddux mostly because he hasn't been able to rely on blowing hitters away but outthinking them and relying on his knowledge of pitching. Of course, the years seem to have whittled away at something as Mad Dog's ERA steadily climbs each year, as do the number of home runs he allows. In the late 90's I probably would have argued Maddux was on par with Clemens for this generation's best pitcher...but Clemens has left him in the dust. What do y'all think? 849609[/snapback] Maddux is firey, but Clemens has got to be from another planet. The fact that he's still blowin' batters away is uncanny. He's not gonna catch Ryan, but he is certainly this generation's most dominant, with the Big Unit figuring in there, although well behind. Maddux has always relied on his smarts. He's still smart, obviously. But back in the day, he had a few extra gears that he relied upon when he was facing extremely smart AND powerfull hitters. He just doesn't have the extra gear anymore. You should see the guy on the golf course. Man, what a competitor. I've heard several stories from a buddy in Atlanta that has been in his foursome numerous times (when he was pitching for the Braves and even after he's returned to Chicago). I guess my buddy's wife knows his wife or something. Anyways, he's a superb golfer and of course, hates to lose. Hates to lose on the mound, too. He's gotta be classified as one of our generation's best (due to his wins, clutch wins, defense), just not one of the most dominating, power-pitching-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 What do y'all think? 849609[/snapback] Of Maddux? He's a 1st ballot HOFer. The best right handed pitcher of his generation not named Clemens. His legacy was cemented years ago. If he peters around for a few years, doesn't change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Of Maddux? He's a 1st ballot HOFer. The best right handed pitcher of his generation not named Clemens. His legacy was cemented years ago. If he peters around for a few years, doesn't change anything. 849617[/snapback] Agree 100%. I was rather bitter at him, however, for sleeping with the enemy (going from my Cubbies to the Bravos). At least he came home to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I have been a longtime fan of Greg Maddux mostly because he hasn't been able to rely on blowing hitters away but outthinking them and relying on his knowledge of pitching. Of course, the years seem to have whittled away at something as Mad Dog's ERA steadily climbs each year, as do the number of home runs he allows. In the late 90's I probably would have argued Maddux was on par with Clemens for this generation's best pitcher...but Clemens has left him in the dust. What do y'all think? 849609[/snapback] yeah, i agree with all of that. clemens' career after age 35 or so pushes him into the territory of the top 5 or 10 all-time greats. maddux is probably more like top 20. i've loved watching both guys for about as long as i can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 And don't forget how great of a defensive player he is. I don't know how many gold gloves he has, but I bet it's about 10 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 What do y'all think? 849609[/snapback] I think that baseball sucks, but Maddux is kinda cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I have been a longtime fan of Greg Maddux mostly because he hasn't been able to rely on blowing hitters away but outthinking them and relying on his knowledge of pitching. Of course, the years seem to have whittled away at something as Mad Dog's ERA steadily climbs each year, as do the number of home runs he allows. In the late 90's I probably would have argued Maddux was on par with Clemens for this generation's best pitcher...but Clemens has left him in the dust. What do y'all think? 849609[/snapback] With a foot of extra strike zone he is a great pitcher, without it, he is a good pitcher... Seriously though, great pitcher, great defense, not a bad hitter, and most importantly a very good golfer. Great Pitchers earn extra inches of strike zone, I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's part of the game. Top 5 of this generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitem0nkey Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Spit ball.......he is a cheater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Of Maddux? He's a 1st ballot HOFer. The best right handed pitcher of his generation not named Clemens. His legacy was cemented years ago. If he peters around for a few years, doesn't change anything. 849617[/snapback] Well said. Maddux in his prime was incredible and is still a solid starter. He does so without any over-the-top dominating stuff, just pin-point control and he obviously puts his time into studying film and scouting reports. Clemens is in a world of his own. I would put Clemens top 5 all-time and you could make an argument for him as # 1, considering the era of the smaller stadiums, bigger athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Six Pack Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 What do y'all think? 849609[/snapback] Good for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted June 30, 2005 Author Share Posted June 30, 2005 Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA G Maddux 5.0 10 6 6 1 2 1 88-59 4.87 Maddux and the Cubs are losing to the Brewers 6-5 in the 7th... Someone please tell Maddux that he is Greg Maddux and he was pitching against the Milwaukee f'n Brewers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA G Maddux 5.0 10 6 6 1 2 1 88-59 4.87 Maddux and the Cubs are losing to the Brewers 6-5 in the 7th... Someone please tell Maddux that he is Greg Maddux and he was pitching against the Milwaukee f'n Brewers! 860062[/snapback] Started him in my h2h league... fortunately my week's ERA was already pretty low so he's not killin' me..... could use a win, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Maddux and the Cubs are losing to the Brewers 6-5 in the 7th... Someone please tell Maddux that he is Greg Maddux and he was pitching against the Milwaukee f'n Brewers! 860062[/snapback] As it stands, the Cubs right now are just better than the Brewers; but that gap is narrowing - especially since the prospects are coming up and they look legit (Weeks and Fielder have had little problem with major league pitching; Hardy's offense is weak but improving and he's the absolute truth in the field). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Just a quick grammatical point. It's difficult for anyone to lose their 311th victory; the title is a bit redundant. PS - Maddux is a top 15-25 pitcher; Clemens is a top 5-10 pitcher; Randy Johnson is a top 20-40 pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 Maddux and the Cubs will blow it again. It's hard to be a fan sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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