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So do the Browns sign AJ, trade the #1 overall for more picks and take Barkley at 4?

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1 hour ago, Wpob said:

So do the Browns sign AJ, trade the #1 overall for more picks and take Barkley at 4?

no way barkley gets by IND at #3.

 

Browns sign AJ and Nate Solder. Draft Barkley at #1 and Guard Quenton Nelson at #4. They make the playoffs.

 

also, local sports talk is all about signing AJ here in Denver

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2 hours ago, LordOpie said:

no way barkley gets by IND at #3.

 

Browns sign AJ and Nate Solder. Draft Barkley at #1 and Guard Quenton Nelson at #4. They make the playoffs.

 

also, local sports talk is all about signing AJ here in Denver

 

Am I the only one that would LOVE to see the Browns in the playoffs !

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18 minutes ago, Gourdeau said:

 

Am I the only one that would LOVE to see the Browns in the playoffs !

i think CLE fans wouldn't know how to deal with it.

 

THink about it tho, how far away are the Browns really. I mean, really. If Barkley is a stud RB, if AJ is a good QB, if Nelson really is a good OG... and we know for a fact that Solder is amazing. WOuldn't those four player easily turn this franchise around? They could easily get those four guys.

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I don't mind getting McCarron. Solder is getting up there in age, we definitely need to draft Offensive Linemen though I don't see any mocks addressing it. Would love Barkley and Minkah, as I've said before but don't mind a Guard there at 4.

 

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Browns should pick Barkely at 1.1 then see who falls to 1.4. AJ is an interesting FA but he's not a Franchise QB. 

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What is their Cap situation? Why not a push for Cousins ?

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2 hours ago, Gourdeau said:

What is their Cap situation? Why not a push for Cousins ?

who? CLE? Cousins has strongly implied that he won't play for them (or any team unlikely to win)

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big money free agent QBs are not going to happen here. They plan on addressing our QOTF in this draft and don't want to shell out money to both a rookie and a vet. not that any vet would want to come here but that's another story

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On 2/16/2018 at 3:53 PM, Gourdeau said:

What is their Cap situation? Why not a push for Cousins ?

 

Over the cap has them with $110m this year, $93m in 2019, and $127m in 2020

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6 hours ago, loaf said:

big money free agent QBs are not going to happen here. They plan on addressing our QOTF in this draft and don't want to shell out money to both a rookie and a vet. not that any vet would want to come here but that's another story

i'm certain there are a handle of QBs who would rather start for CLE than be a back up. who are the QBs available that are better than Kizer and want to start?

  • Bradford
  • Keenun
  • Bridgewater
  • Cousins (we know he's not going to cle)
  • AJ
  • Cutler
  • McCown
  • Brees (beyond unlike, but still)

seems unlikely CLE can't upgrade, if they want to. Just seems like they'd be so much better off signing someone like AJ, one of the MIN QBs, or even Cutler and then using the #1 and #4 to make serious improvements elsewhere

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Yeah, but AJ won't cost Cousins money, that's my point

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On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, loaf said:

Yeah, but AJ won't cost Cousins money, that's my point

 

Exactly and taking lordopies list most of those are not likely to be Browns

 

Bradford - the least of the MIN QBs, he could work as a bridge more likely to be a quality backup

Keenum - probably will remain in MIN or go to a similarl quality/contending team

Bridgewater - backup QB probably in MIN

Cousins - contending team, Browns won't get him and should not pursue him

AJ - the leading candidate

Cutler - have heard nothing about him, would have expected he stays in MIA

McCown - an option, but they let him go after 2016, maybe that was a Sashi move

Brees - no way, doubt he'd leave the Saints, certainly not for the Browns

 

I also heard talk of Tyrod Taylor changing teams too, forget if he's FA or possible trade.
 

As for being a playoff team, I don't see it. After winning 1 game in 2 years (4 in 3yr) and winning 4-5 games on average most years since their return, getting back to 4-5 wins is the first realistic step, then getting to a .500 team, and finally playoffs. 2-3 years is a reasonable time to finish this rebuild. Playoffs this year would be like winning the SB.

 

Aside from QB, RB and OL they also need help on D, especially DB but LB and DL too. Oh and another quality WR would be nice, Coleman and Gordon are nice, but not elite and with some ?s  Doesn't sound like a team turning around from 0-16 to 9-11 wins.

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is AJ that much better than Trevor Siemian ? Seems to me, if he's not, then CLE should give a 7th round pick for him if they miss on the FA QBs, other than AJ.  AJ would have to be significantly better, when you take into consideration cost. I'm sure Trevor Siemian is making minimum wage and AJ would be getting at least $15mil

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Is Kizer considered hopeless?  Look at what they guy had to work with last year.  Who could have succeeded with that mess around them?

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4 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said:

Is Kizer considered hopeless?  Look at what they guy had to work with last year.  Who could have succeeded with that mess around them?

 

Jimmy Garroppolo

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said:

Is Kizer considered hopeless?  Look at what they guy had to work with last year.  Who could have succeeded with that mess around them?

Hopeless no, but not somebody I would count on to be the future either. They need that bridge QB, and another draftee, be that in the top 5 picks or somewhere else, depends on who they like and where they think they can land him.

 

Without doing both those things they're relying on Kizer for the future (no rookie taken) or Kizer+rookie to start this year (no vet bridge signed).

 

If you watched the team play you could see it was more than just lack of talent around Kizer, he just seemed lost, unprepared, not careful with the ball, etc. I think Hue's offense contributed as well as he regularly gave up on the run when the score was still close. Then he'd want Kizer to get those big chunk plays he liked, resulting in many negative plays (sacks, picks, fumbles).

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I am thinking along the lines of a bridge guy.  That allows the browns tonupgrade talent overall and see if the investment on kizer pays off.

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22 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said:

I am thinking along the lines of a bridge guy.  That allows the browns tonupgrade talent overall and see if the investment on kizer pays off.

 

I would have to think that unless the Browns brain trust thinks that one of the QBs coming out this year is transcendent (if they believe that, then use the #1 on the QB), they are better off doing some combination of the following:

1. Sign a bridge QB and give Kizer a year to develop to see if he can be "the guy"

        1a. If they are already convinced Kizer is not their guy, could still do a bridge QB, or could go after a better FA QB

2. Use the 1 and 4 picks on greatest need.

        2a. If no "generational" talent, then I'd shop the picks. A team out there will pay a pretty good haul for the #1. Let's say you can still get a top 10 pick this year, a first next year, and quite possible another 3rd. I'd lean that route, where I still have two top 10 picks this year, another 1st next year and an extra third.

 

If they keep the 1 and 4 picks, and are set on taking a QB, I'd lean to taking that QB at the #4 pick and not first overall, unless they really have one of these guys well above the others. That way they can either do an offensive overhaul and take Barkley at #1 then QB at 4, can trade down as detailed above, take QB at 4 and still have another top 10 pick to address OL or DB. A lot of options here.

 

At this early juncture, I'm not convinced any of the QBs coming out are transcendent guys and I think the Browns can do more for the long term good of their franchise by not taking a QB with the #1 overall pick.

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you don't draft for need. that's how  you wind up sucking

you draft the best player (saquon) at #1.

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16 hours ago, Big Country said:

 

I would have to think that unless the Browns brain trust thinks that one of the QBs coming out this year is transcendent (if they believe that, then use the #1 on the QB), they are better off doing some combination of the following:

1. Sign a bridge QB and give Kizer a year to develop to see if he can be "the guy"

        1a. If they are already convinced Kizer is not their guy, could still do a bridge QB, or could go after a better FA QB

2. Use the 1 and 4 picks on greatest need.

        2a. If no "generational" talent, then I'd shop the picks. A team out there will pay a pretty good haul for the #1. Let's say you can still get a top 10 pick this year, a first next year, and quite possible another 3rd. I'd lean that route, where I still have two top 10 picks this year, another 1st next year and an extra third.

 

If they keep the 1 and 4 picks, and are set on taking a QB, I'd lean to taking that QB at the #4 pick and not first overall, unless they really have one of these guys well above the others. That way they can either do an offensive overhaul and take Barkley at #1 then QB at 4, can trade down as detailed above, take QB at 4 and still have another top 10 pick to address OL or DB. A lot of options here.

 

At this early juncture, I'm not convinced any of the QBs coming out are transcendent guys and I think the Browns can do more for the long term good of their franchise by not taking a QB with the #1 overall pick.

Although I'm not a Browns fan, I would love to see them competitive.  I would take Chubb and Saquon if that's possible with the #1 & #4 picks.  Pick up a decent veteran QB to fill in if available and draft from there.  I watched a few games last year (maybe 3), and it looked like they were mostly competitive in those games.  A few players could completely change this team around to a 5-6 win team vs barely a 1 win team.  They keep trading early picks for more picks in future years.  It's time to start cashing those in getting some significant talent.  Besides, a combo DE of Chubb and Garrett could be scary!

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53 minutes ago, NAUgrad said:

Although I'm not a Browns fan, I would love to see them competitive.  I would take Chubb and Saquon if that's possible with the #1 & #4 picks.  Pick up a decent veteran QB to fill in if available and draft from there.  I watched a few games last year (maybe 3), and it looked like they were mostly competitive in those games.  A few players could completely change this team around to a 5-6 win team vs barely a 1 win team.  They keep trading early picks for more picks in future years.  It's time to start cashing those in getting some significant talent.  Besides, a combo DE of Chubb and Garrett could be scary!

 

Agree they have 2 top 5 picks, they need to draft players to help, not trade and have more later picks. The fans here will crucify the team if they trade out of 1 or 4 and don't get something exceptional.

 

If they really like a QB and believe he is the guy, sure take him at #1. If he's somebody that likely isn't going top 5 (Allen used to fit, not sure now), take Barkley and then QB at 4. Or Barkley and Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4.

 

The QB they get in FA may say something about their draft plans, or maybe not.

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there are 5-6 standouts in this draft.  Imo, if the Browns get 2 of them and manage to pick up extra late first / anytime second round picks, that’s a big win.

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