bushwacked Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 If Jackson were one of the top 5 WRs in the league, this thread wouldn't exist. Your comprehension skills could stand some improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Djax has been largely undervalued in FF the last 5 years. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Off the top of my head I can rank 11 WRs above DJax Holt Owens Harrison Chad Johnson Steve Smith Boldin Fitzgerald Roy Williams Andre Johnson Javon Walker Reggie Wayne I'm not trying to take anything away from Jackson. I'd take him as my #2 on probably all but 2 teams in the league (IND and AZ). He's a solid #1 on better than half the teams out there. However IMO I can think of 3 more guys I'd include in this list (to be above Jackson) IF this is just based on talent. R Moss D Driver M Colston (kinda walking the line with this one - only a rookie, but he looks like a STUD in the making with his breakaway speed, and the glue that he has on his hands). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Holy crap! Take off the mega-sized blue & green sunglasses. Do you even watch any football other than Seahawks games? If Jackson were one of the top 5 WRs in the league, this thread wouldn't exist. That Jackson is costing SEA $4M a year against the cap, give or take, and they are looking at moving him somewhere because of that tells you what his value is in SEA right off the bat. If Jackson were truly a dependable top 10 WR, SEA wouldn't even blink at a $4M cap hit every year from him. That was my point too but I was told since this was a hypothetical argument that actual stats didn't matter. I was told that IF he was healthy he would be top 5-10. My whole point is that he has not been healthy so he doesn't desrve a lable of top 10 when he clearly does not have the stats to back that up. I don't care if he goes off in 8 games a year. If he doesn't play the other 8 games for whatever reason he is well below a top 10 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 That was my point too but I was told since this was a hypothetical argument that actual stats didn't matter. I was told that IF he was healthy he would be top 5-10. My whole point is that he has not been healthy so he doesn't desrve a lable of top 10 when he clearly does not have the stats to back that up. I don't care if he goes off in 8 games a year. If he doesn't play the other 8 games for whatever reason he is well below a top 10 WR. How could you say Javon Walker is a better reciever than Darrel Jackson? I looked up his stats from 2005 and he had 4 receptions for 27 yards and no TD's. Unless the numbers I looked up were wrong, those are the facts. If he can't stay healthy then he can't produce that was a problem. You can't just ignore the fact that he was hurt. What good was he when he was hurt? I don't care if he goes off with those 4 catches, when he was hurt the rest of the year what good was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 How could you say Javon Walker is a better reciever than Darrel Jackson? I looked up his stats from 2005 and he had 4 receptions for 27 yards and no TD's. Unless the numbers I looked up were wrong, those are the facts. If he can't stay healthy then he can't produce that was a problem. You can't just ignore the fact that he was hurt. What good was he when he was hurt? I don't care if he goes off with those 4 catches, when he was hurt the rest of the year what good was he? Touche. As I stated though, those names were off the top of my head. And the stats I looked up still have Djax as a top 20 WR at best which means there are about 19 other WRs who have put up better numbers over the last three years, injured or not. Guys like Moulds, Ward, Plaxico, etc. I believe are above Djax over the last three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Holy crap! Take off the mega-sized blue & green sunglasses. Do you even watch any football other than Seahawks games? If Jackson were one of the top 5 WRs in the league, this thread wouldn't exist. That Jackson is costing SEA $4M a year against the cap, give or take, and they are looking at moving him somewhere because of that tells you what his value is in SEA right off the bat. If Jackson were truly a dependable top 10 WR, SEA wouldn't even blink at a $4M cap hit every year from him. The Seahawks AREN'T blinking at Jacksons 4 Mil. I don't understand where some of you are coming up with this stuff. Nobody in Seattle has even come remotely close to saying they are shopping Jackson. They understand how absurd this whole thing is. If Deion Branch had even an o.k. year, they might entertain shopping Jackson. He didn't. Branch was AWFUL. As I have stated, Branch is on his way to being this team's #4 receiver next year. 4 Million for a guy of Jackson's talent at that position is an absolute steal, you guys are making this whole argument up out of thin air, and it is starting to get pretty annoying. How bout next we start the "trade Plaxico Burress or Santana Moss or Laveraneus Coles thread". You just don't cut your #1 receiver. Has it ever happened before?!??! Get a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Your comprehension skills could stand some improvement. Really? Perhaps you could expound a bit on where I misunderstood your inclination that Jackson was a top 5 WR over the past 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 The Seahawks AREN'T blinking at Jacksons 4 Mil. I don't understand where some of you are coming up with this stuff. Nobody in Seattle has even come remotely close to saying they are shopping Jackson. They understand how absurd this whole thing is. If Deion Branch had even an o.k. year, they might entertain shopping Jackson. He didn't. Branch was AWFUL. As I have stated, Branch is on his way to being this team's #4 receiver next year. 4 Million for a guy of Jackson's talent at that position is an absolute steal, you guys are making this whole argument up out of thin air, and it is starting to get pretty annoying. How bout next we start the "trade Plaxico Burress or Santana Moss or Laveraneus Coles thread". You just don't cut your #1 receiver. Has it ever happened before?!??! Get a clue. Actually weren't Coles and Santana Moss traded for each other? Either way, I think the point is that although Jackson is clearly the #1 in Seatlle and a very good WR, he is not a top 5-10 WR in the NFL. I know some people will say this thread was based on that fact that IF Djax wasn't injured then he would be a top 5-10 WR. I won't argue with that because that is merely opinion and I don't necessarily disagree either. It has been mentioned that Djax is underrated because he has been injured, but those same people may be overrating him for the same reason. Who knows if he would have put up similar number in the games he missed as in the games he played? That being said, if the Seahawks do cut him I would like to see the Eagles sign him if Stallworth leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Really? Perhaps you could expound a bit on where I misunderstood your inclination that Jackson was a top 5 WR over the past 4 years. All my free time is committed for the short term. I'm trying to teach my dog that the "other dog" in the mirror isn't really another dog and just because it looks like I'm throwing a tennis ball, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm throwing a tennis ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 All my free time is committed for the short term. I'm trying to teach my dog that the "other dog" in the mirror isn't really another dog and just because it looks like I'm throwing a tennis ball, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm throwing a tennis ball. Good one. But I feel this will be a wasted analogy. Don't think he'll get it. (Hint: title of thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Good one. But I feel this will be a wasted analogy. Don't think he'll get it. (Hint: title of thread) D Jackson = dog of a WR? I wouldn't go that far, Riff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I know some people will say this thread was based on that fact that IF Djax wasn't injured then he would be a top 5-10 WR. I won't argue with that because that is merely opinion and I don't necessarily disagree either. Does anybody have the time or know how, to produce a list of the top 20 recievers in yards and TDs per game played since 2000 ? I would be really interested to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Does anybody have the time or know how, to produce a list of the top 20 recievers in yards and TDs per game played since 2000 ? I would be really interested to see that. I just did a quick search on Sportsline. They breakdown the three year average by multiple categories, but three years is all I could find and they don't have a games played category. It just breaks them down per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Does anybody have the time or know how, to produce a list of the top 20 recievers in yards and TDs per game played since 2000 ? I would be really interested to see that. Hopefully I comprehend your request properly... WRs, cumulative totals since 2000, rec yds: 1 Torry Holt 98872 Marvin Harrison 95563 Terrell Owens 84084 Randy Moss 79745 Joe Horn 76226 Rod Smith 75787 Isaac Bruce 75488 Derrick Mason 73299 Hines Ward 712110 Chad Johnson 692511 Eric Moulds 671312 Jimmy Smith 661313 Laveranues Coles 659914 Keyshawn Johnson 646315 Muhsin Muhammad 644616 Darrell Jackson 644517 Plaxico Burress 636618 Amani Toomer 633919 Keenan McCardell 590820 Donald Driver 589821 Eddie Kennison 584722 Marty Booker 553023 Reggie Wayne 547424 Terry Glenn 532125 Chris Chambers 5273 WRs, cumulative totals since 2000, rec TDs: 1 Marvin Harrison 892 Terrell Owens 843 Randy Moss 734 Torry Holt 585 Hines Ward 516 Joe Horn 507 Darrell Jackson 478 Rod Smith 439 Chris Chambers 4310 Chad Johnson 4111 Isaac Bruce 3912 Derrick Mason 3913 Jimmy Smith 3914 Plaxico Burress 3915 Muhsin Muhammad 3816 Reggie Wayne 3717 Amani Toomer 3518 Keenan McCardell 3519 Donald Driver 3520 Joey Galloway 3421 Santana Moss 3422 Keyshawn Johnson 3323 Marcus Robinson 3324 Eric Moulds 3125 Laveranues Coles 31 WRs, cumulative totals since 2000, rec ydg: 1 Torry Holt 89.882 Terrell Owens 87.583 Marvin Harrison 86.874 Anquan Boldin 82.235 Chad Johnson 75.276 Randy Moss 75.237 Joe Horn 74.738 Jimmy Smith 72.679 David Boston 71.6310 Isaac Bruce 71.2111 Larry Fitzgerald 69.6712 Rod Smith 68.8913 Derrick Mason 67.2414 Tim Brown 67.1515 Darrell Jackson 67.1416 Cris Carter 67.0317 Jeff Graham 66.0818 Roy Williams 65.4419 Hines Ward 65.3320 Andre Johnson 64.8021 Steve Smith 63.9622 Plaxico Burress 63.0323 Muhsin Muhammad 62.5824 Eric Moulds 62.1625 Keyshawn Johnson 61.55 WRs, cumulative totals since 2000, rec TDpg: 1 Terrell Owens 0.882 Marvin Harrison 0.813 Randy Moss 0.694 Roy Williams 0.535 Larry Fitzgerald 0.536 Torry Holt 0.537 Lee Evans 0.508 Joe Horn 0.499 Darrell Jackson 0.4910 Cris Carter 0.4711 Javon Walker 0.4712 Hines Ward 0.4713 Tim Brown 0.4614 Chris Chambers 0.4615 Chad Johnson 0.4516 Jimmy Smith 0.4317 Santana Moss 0.4218 Donte Stallworth 0.4119 Reggie Wayne 0.4020 Rod Smith 0.3921 David Boston 0.3922 Steve Smith 0.3923 Plaxico Burress 0.3924 Joey Galloway 0.3825 Marcus Robinson 0.38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Now I want to hear you make the argument that Darrell Jackson is a much better WR than Steve Smith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hopefully I comprehend your request properly... Well, you didn't, but I appreciate it nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) Well, you didn't, but I appreciate it nonetheless. So the information you asked for isn't there? Okay, give me some guidance. What information exactly did you ask for if it wasn't rec ypg & rec TDpg? Or do you just feel the need to be a horse's ass when someone tries to help you out of not being capable of gathering data yourself? Edited February 14, 2007 by Bronco Billy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill Swerski Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Or do you just feel the need to be a horse's ass Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) So the information you asked for isn't there? Okay, give me some guidance. What information exactly did you ask for if it wasn't rec ypg & rec TDpg? Or do you just feel the need to be a horse's ass when someone tries to help you out of not being capable of gathering data yourself? Yikes, I didn't notice the per game breakdowns and just saw the cumulative stats the first time through. I duly apologize. It appears that giving equal weight to yards and TDs that Djax is more definitely averaging near the top 10 than top 5 (per games played), even if you omit some of the over the hill/retired players. Thanks and sorry once again. ETA: In yards per game, if you omit Tim Brown, Jimmy Smith, and Dave Boston; and assume that Djax is presently of more value than Mason, R. Smith, I. Bruce, Joe Horn (maybe).....you can bump him to number 8.....bumping him over Horn on TD's per game would also put him at 8. Edited February 14, 2007 by bushwacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROYALWITCHEESE Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Wow. A lot of people hating Jackson. Talk of his bad knees--no problems with them this year. Talk of his best years being behind him--he just had his best season to date. I can't figure it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 Talk of his bad knees--no problems with them this year. He missed the bulk of training camp recovering from arthroscopic surgery he had in March 2006. He was held out of practice and put on the injury list throughout the first half of the season. Talk of his best years being behind him--he just had his best season to date. He had his career high in TD receptions, but not anywhere near receptions or yardage totals. He hasn't played a full season since 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Yikes, I didn't notice the per game breakdowns and just saw the cumulative stats the first time through. I duly apologize. It appears that giving equal weight to yards and TDs that Djax is more definitely averaging near the top 10 than top 5 (per games played), even if you omit some of the over the hill/retired players. Thanks and sorry once again. ETA: In yards per game, if you omit Tim Brown, Jimmy Smith, and Dave Boston; and assume that Djax is presently of more value than Mason, R. Smith, I. Bruce, Joe Horn (maybe).....you can bump him to number 8.....bumping him over Horn on TD's per game would also put him at 8. Well, sir, I am impressed. Rather than enjoin in a pissing contest after I slammed you about the stats, you sucked it up & showed some major-league cajones by apologizing. Now I'm sorry that I took the nasty tone with you. I won't make that mistake again. Well played, sir. Regarding the stats, I'll admit that Jackson's numbers are much better than I thought they would be in comparison. While I don't think he can be considered top 5 material, I'll have to rethink my position about putting him in the top 10. Not only do you have my apologies for my snide comment, but you have my appreciation for teaching me something today. PS - If you ever mention that I posted this man-love tripe in this thread in the future, I'll deny it wholeheartedly. I do have a reputation of being a major prick to uphold, after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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