H8tank Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 we spend far more than anyone else. We also spend far more than anyone else on athletic shoes. So what? What do we get for our healthcare spending? America offers the highest quality health care in the world. Most of the world's top doctors, hospitals and research facilities are located in the United States. Eighteen of the last 25 winners of the Nobel Prize in Medicine either are U.S. citizens or work here. U.S. companies have developed half of all the major new medicines introduced worldwide over the past 20 years. And Americans played a key role in 80 percent of the most important medical advances of the past 30 years. I can't wait for you to spin this into a negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) The U.S. does not have the best health care system in the world - it has the best emergency care system in the world. Advanced U.S. medical technology has not translated into better health statistics for its citizens; indeed, the U.S. ranks near the bottom in list after list of international comparisons. Part of the problem is that there is more profit in a pound of cure than an ounce of prevention. Another part of the problem is that America has the highest level of poverty and income inequality among all rich nations, and poverty affects one's health much more than the limited ministrations of a formal health care system. Argument Let's review the health care statistics first, and analyze them afterwards. All statistics here are for the year 1991; they have generally become worse for the U.S. since then. Health Care Expenditures (percent of GDP) (1) United States 13.4% Canada 10.0 Finland 9.1 Sweden 8.6 Germany 8.4 Netherlands 8.4 Norway 7.6 Japan 6.8 United Kingdom 6.6 Denmark 6.5 Doctors' incomes: (2) United States $132,300 Germany 91,244 Denmark 50,585 Finland 42,943 Norway 35,356 Sweden 25,768 Percent of population covered by public health care: ALL NATIONS (except below) 100% France, Austria 99 Switzerland, Spain, Belgium 98 Germany 92 Netherlands 77 United States 40 Average paid maternity leave (as of 1991; this changed with Clinton's signing of the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act): Sweden 32 weeks France 28 United Kingdom 18 Norway 18 Denmark 18 Japan 14 Germany 14 Netherlands 12 United States 0 Life Expectancy (years): Men Women Japan 76.2 82.5 France 72.9 81.3 Switzerland 74.1 81.3 Netherlands 73.7 80.5 Sweden 74.2 80.4 Canada 73.4 80.3 Norway 73.1 79.7 Germany 72.6 79.2 Finland 70.7 78.8 United States 71.6 78.6 United Kingdom 72.7 78.2 Denmark 72.2 77.9 Infant Mortality Rate (per 1,000 live births): United States 10.4 United Kingdom 9.4 Germany 8.5 Denmark 8.1 Canada 7.9 Norway 7.9 Netherlands 7.8 Switzerland 6.8 Finland 5.9 Sweden 5.9 Japan 5.0 Death rate of 1-to-4 year olds (per community of 200,000 per year): United States 101.5 Japan 92.2 Norway 90.2 Denmark 85.1 France 84.9 United Kingdom 82.2 Canada 82.1 Netherlands 80.3 Germany 77.6 Switzerland 72.5 Sweden 64.7 Finland 53.3 Death rate of 15-to-24 year olds (per community of 200,000 per year): United States 203 Switzerland 175 Canada 161 France 156 Finland 154 Norway 128 Germany 122 Denmark 120 United Kingdom 114 Sweden 109 Japan 96 Netherlands 90 Note: the murder rate for the above age group is 48.8 per 200,000. Even subtracting this entirely still puts the U.S. near the top of the list. Premature Death (years of life lost before the age of 64 per 100 people): United States 5.8 years Denmark 4.9 Finland 4.8 Canada 4.5 Germany 4.5 United Kingdom 4.4 Norway 4.3 Switzerland 4.1 Netherlands 4.0 Sweden 3.8 Japan 3.3 Percent of people with normal body mass: Men Women Germany 53% 37 Finland 51 37 United Kingdom 46 38 Canada 52 29 Switzerland 49 30 France 44 30 Denmark 44 25 United States 47 22 Sweden 44 25 Percent of people who believe their health care system needs fundamental change: United States 60% Sweden 58 United Kingdom 52 Japan 47 Netherlands 46 France 42 Canada 38 Edited February 27, 2007 by Yukon Cornelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 $100 Cost to kill someone too old and letting them die with dignity instead of spending countless dollars and hours trying to keep them alive with no plausible future. How old are you again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 How old are you again? 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 How old are you again? FREE The cost to beat back you yungins with mah cane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 $100 Cost to kill someone too old and letting them die with dignity instead of spending countless dollars and hours trying to keep them alive with no plausible future. logans run was just on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 FREE The cost to beat back you yungins with mah cane. MV is older than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 MV is older than you. Okay, I'll give MV the half price AARP discount on the cane beating then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codwagon Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Yukon Cornelius Posted Today, 2:09 PM you forgot to cite your source : "Help Fight the Right! -- Support Liberalism Resurgent" I need a ruling from Atomic on whether your source is reliable. Edited February 27, 2007 by Codwagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I blame the Clintons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 you forgot to cite your source : "Help Fight the Right! -- Support Liberalism Resurgent" I need a ruling from Atomic on whether your source is reliable. The only stat from his post that I will take seriously is the one that said only 22 percent of our women aren't overweight. Buncha cows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 28, 2007 Author Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yuke has posted some interesting facts there. Isn't it weird that in every other arena, price is king to the right wing? They know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Yet show them how in pretty much every measure our health care system is worse and more expensive than everyone else's and they go into instant defense. Is this due to their professed hatred of government in general (except when it's decided to blow someone up)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 our health care system is worse I think it is accepted around the globe we have the best in the world, so I don't know what the fok you're talkin about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 28, 2007 Author Share Posted February 28, 2007 I think it is accepted around the globe we have the best in the world, so I don't know what the fok you're talkin about. Is it? By what measure? Lifespan? Infant mortality? Cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I think it is accepted around the globe we have the best in the world, so I don't know what the fok you're talkin about. Our pharmaceutical industry kicks the crap out of the rest of the world. How many breakthrough therapies have come out of Europe or Canada since they moved to socialized healthcare? Generic drugs are also much cheaper in the U.S. than in Europe and Canada because of greater competition between the numerous generic manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) you forgot to cite your source : "Help Fight the Right! -- Support Liberalism Resurgent" I need a ruling from Atomic on whether your source is reliable. um that was on purpose Our pharmaceutical industry kicks the crap out of the rest of the world. How many breakthrough therapies have come out of Europe or Canada since they moved to socialized healthcare? Generic drugs are also much cheaper in the U.S. than in Europe and Canada because of greater competition between the numerous generic manufacturers. wheel ask any Canadian or euro doc and they will tell yah we take way to many drugs and dont drink enough whine... oh i forgot to add .... those drug companies are mosley held out of the country?? how cum??? Edited February 28, 2007 by Yukon Cornelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar Magnolia Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 $100 Cost to kill someone too old and letting them die with dignity instead of spending countless dollars and hours trying to keep them alive with no plausible future. I like living in Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 28, 2007 Author Share Posted February 28, 2007 I like living in Oregon. About as far from TimC as it's possible to get without going abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) wheel ask any Canadian or euro doc and they will tell yah we take way to many drugs and dont drink enough whine... oh i forgot to add .... those drug companies are mosley held out of the country?? how cum??? Held out of which country? Your question doesn't make any sense. The reason that the Canadian and European spam companies don't produce any breakthrough medications is that their governments price-fix their products to the extent that their revenue would not allow for a significant R&D budget. Edited February 28, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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