Robash Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Well if its more of the same old same old with Eli this year, which i dont think will happen, there is gonna be one less excuse to use...Plax and Shockey are comming to camp when they arnt required to. EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – In his first two years with the Giants, Plaxico Burress made as many May appearances in New Jersey as snow. But Burress made his first public Giants Stadium appearance of the spring today and like the accompanying warm weather, he promises to stay. Burress has spent the majority of his previous offseasons working out in Florida. But several conversations with quarterback Eli Manning, who has urged him to join the team for informal workouts, helped convince him to participate. WR Plaxico Burress has arrived at Giants Stadium and is preparing for the 2007 season with his Giants teammates. “I’m here because I want us to be better and I want him to reach his full potential, which I think can be great,” Burress said. “We can do nothing but help him and myself out. I’m here, willing to work, and we just have to go out and get it out done. Me and him - all of us - hopefully can get on the same page and be successful, just have fun on Sundays and make plays.” Asked how long he planned to stay in town this offseason, Burress said, “I’m here. I’m not going anywhere.” Plax Eli Manning yesterday told MSG Network he received a text message from Jeremy Shockey that said the tight end will finally arrive at the Giants' offseason workout program Monday. Shockey has been working out in Miami. Shockey should help out having the two people you throw the most to at offseason workouts Edited May 10, 2007 by Robash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 How's that going to help the fact that he constantly throws high and behind his receivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 How's that going to help the fact that he constantly throws high and behind his receivers? How can you throw high AND behind his receivers? Seems like it would be either/or. That all said, the Giants are without Tiki so that alone changes up the offense and I just cannot imagine Coughlin without a stud back which he likely will be without this year. That will make the pass more important, but also allows the defense to be less concerned with the run unless Jacbos can really step up this year. I haven't written Eli off by any means, but playing in NY under Coughlin seems like it would limit any QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 How's that going to help the fact that he constantly throws high and behind his receivers? maybe he gets yards and meters confused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) How can you throw high AND behind his receivers? Seems like it would be either/or. What's not to understand? He often throws high. He often throws behind. At times he is both high and behind. I didn't say he was high and low at the same time, or in front and behind at the same time. I said he was high and behind, sometimes just one of those options, sometimes a combination of the two. Well, if you don't understand that, it would at least help explain the William Green prediction a little. Edited May 10, 2007 by Hugh 0ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 What's not to understand? He often throws high. He often throws behind. At times he is both high and behind. I didn't say he was high and low at the same time, or in front and behind at the same time. I said he was high and behind, sometimes just one of those options, sometimes a combination of the two. Well, if you don't understand that, it would at least help explain the William Green prediction a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 What's not to understand? He often throws high. He often throws behind. At times he is both high and behind. I didn't say he was high and low at the same time, or in front and behind at the same time. I said he was high and behind, sometimes just one of those options, sometimes a combination of the two. Well, if you don't understand that, it would at least help explain the William Green prediction a little. If this were William Green related, we would understand how he could be high and behind...or in front...or low...on the bench...eating fritos....etc. We would just expect the high to go with whatever else was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkc217 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Well, there is still another excuse for Eli....The NY Giants did squat for offensive line help again this year. It should help Eli that Plax and Shoc are in camp but if I was them, I'd work on the pass protection brakedown scenario. And everytime that happened, I'd look right at the coaches and then the owners box if I was Eli Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Well, there is still another excuse for Eli....The NY Giants did squat for offensive line help again this year. Actually they did do something, they got rid of Pettigout. He was good, but not 5 mil a year good. That and he made way to many mental mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 How can you throw high AND behind his receivers? Seems like it would be either/or. That all said, the Giants are without Tiki so that alone changes up the offense and I just cannot imagine Coughlin without a stud back which he likely will be without this year. That will make the pass more important, but also allows the defense to be less concerned with the run unless Jacbobs can really step up this year. I haven't written Eli off by any means, but playing in NY under Coughlin seems like it would limit any QB. I understand what your saying about the Tiki loss, but i cant think that teams are just going to be less concerned about Jacobs. He has shown flashs and if he proves he can handle the ball 20+ times a game...he is gonna be special. Im not saying he is Tiki but i think he is a major concern to an opposing defence until he proves otherwise. Brandon Jacobs Asante Samuel couldnt catch this guy, and kherry Rhodes got laid out...he gets out of his upright running style and you might have a future pro bowler here...worst case he is fun to watch. Having your top two recievers in camp to get comfortable should help...but it all boils down to David Dhiel/Guy Whimper this season to sum up, i know he isnt proven yet...but i dont think any defence is gonna shrug Jacobs off this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Well if its more of the same old same old with Eli this year, which i dont think will happen, there is gonna be one less excuse to use...Plax and Shockey are comming to camp when they arnt required to. I'm not so sure. It looked like brother Peyton's championship last year got to him (maybe all 3). You know the last few years Eli could have gone down to Florida too. Saying that I did draft 2 rookie QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 I understand what your saying about the Tiki loss, but i cant think that teams are just going to be less concerned about Jacobs. He has shown flashs and if he proves he can handle the ball 20+ times a game...he is gonna be special. Im not saying he is Tiki but i think he is a major concern to an opposing defence until he proves otherwise. Brandon Jacobs Asante Samuel couldnt catch this guy, and kherry Rhodes got laid out...he gets out of his upright running style and you might have a future pro bowler here...worst case he is fun to watch. Having your top two recievers in camp to get comfortable should help...but it all boils down to David Dhiel/Guy Whimper this season to sum up, i know he isnt proven yet...but i dont think any defence is gonna shrug Jacobs off this year. I'm not discounting what Jacobs can do too much - it is unlikely he will step in and play as well as Barber did but he has talent to be sure. But when the defense lines up, I am confident that they would rather see Jacobs than Barber in the backfield. I hope Jacobs has a great year, but he has to make that transition from being the effective relief player to being the every down guy and that is when the real test happens. Jacobs isa load to bring down to be sure. I hope they use him as a receiver as they did Tiki but that remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 I hope they use him as a receiver as they did Tiki but that remains to be seen. love to be the CB that gets that "Bump and Run" assignment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 love to be the CB that gets that "Bump and Run" assignment No you wouldn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 I will never Draft Eli again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Brandon Jacobs is the next version of Ron Dayne. Anyone who thinks this guy will sniff Tiki's numbers is crazy. JMHO of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Brandon Jacobs is the next version of Ron Dayne. Anyone who thinks this guy will sniff Tiki's numbers is crazy. JMHO of course. I think you're wrong on that. He won't be Tiki, but he definitely won't be Dayne either. Unlike Dayne, Jacobs doesn't go down when someone brushes up against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Well, there is still another excuse for Eli....The NY Giants did squat for offensive line help again this year. It should help Eli that Plax and Shoc are in camp but if I was them, I'd work on the pass protection brakedown scenario. And everytime that happened, I'd look right at the coaches and then the owners box if I was Eli Manning. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 How are Shockey and Burress gonna help Eli NOT throw the ball off his back foot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted May 11, 2007 Author Share Posted May 11, 2007 (edited) I think you're wrong on that. He won't be Tiki, but he definitely won't be Dayne either. Unlike Dayne, Jacobs doesn't go down when someone brushes up against him. well 1400 yards and 15td i think is totally within reach...which will give him tiki-esque fantasy numbers from the rushing side of things...tiki made aton of money for people off the receiving yards he got though. But jacobs did average 13 yard per reception...even if you take away the one he broke its still at 10 ypr. if he gets 20 carries a game average, i think he will be a top ten back next year..and worthy of a first round fantasy pick in 08 Edited May 11, 2007 by Robash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Who had more INTs than Vick? Eli Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 (edited) Who had more INTs than Vick? Eli Manning. While above is true, the fact is... Manning - 522 pass attempts & 18 picks = 1 pick per 29.0 passes. Vick - 389 pass attempts & 13 picks = 1 pick per 29.9 passes. However... Plax + Toomer + Shockey > Jenkins + White + Crump & Tiki + Jacobs > Dunn + Norwood What it all means = They both suck at passing, but maybe Vick sucks a little less? Edited May 11, 2007 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Actually the Pass to Interception ratio for all QBs over 8 games played last year: PASS INT P/I PLAYER244 1 244 Damon Huard588 8 74 Marc Bulger261 4 65 Mark Brunell557 9 62 Peyton Manning316 6 53 Donovan McNabb460 9 51 Philip Rivers555 11 50 Drew Brees517 12 43 Tom Brady520 13 40 Carson Palmer431 11 39 Jake Delhomme468 12 39 Steve McNair442 12 37 David Carr328 9 36 Bruce Gradkowski613 18 34 Brett Favre376 12 31 Matt Leinart430 14 31 J.P. Losman485 16 30 Chad Pennington389 13 30 Michael Vick439 15 29 Brad Johnson522 18 29 Eli Manning442 16 28 Alex Smith356 13 27 Vince Young596 22 27 Jon Kitna241 9 27 David Garrard337 13 26 Tony Romo388 15 26 Joey Harrington371 15 25 Matt Hasselbeck317 13 24 Jake Plummer480 20 24 Rex Grossman192 8 24 Aaron Brooks391 17 23 Charlie Frye198 9 22 Trent Green276 13 21 Andrew Walter470 23 20 Ben Roethlisberger And to illustrate the importance of scheme, Bulger had 74:1 under Linehan and was 31:1 under Martz (2005) similar to the 27:1 that Kitna had last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 That Damon Huard guy looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 That Damon Huard guy looks pretty good. hard to argue with his interception ratio! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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