SNOWBOUND33 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 And your avy is still annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 Clever rhymes. The Valtrex advertisement was a nice touch too. That guy must be wealthy or something to have all that time to put that stuff together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I don't know about what you guys think, but these 2 guys look awfully comparable to me. Stewart has the benefit of better Ds, but Vick has had the benefit of better running Os. Just because some people love swinging from Vick's sack doesn't mean that he's God. He's about Kordell Stewart as a QB. No more, no less. He's a better runner than Kordell, but he's a worse passer. Surprise, surprise. In my very first post on the huddle boards, in a topic i started, I compared Vick to Slash and was destroyed for it. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=1560&hl= I agree with your post 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 In my very first post on the huddle boards, in a topic i started, I compared Vick to Slash and was destroyed for it. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=1560&hl= I agree with your post 100% Galileo was persecuted for proposing that the Earth revolved around the Sun, also. Being a man of unique vision, you should understand the burden that you bear. One of the best things about this Vick controversy is how the Vickophants have retreated from their "all he does is win" argument now that the sample size of his starts has grown enough to show how crappy a starting QB he really is and aren't skewed by one good year that the team had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 One of the best things about this Vick controversy is how the Vickophants have retreated from their "all he does is win" argument now that the sample size of his starts has grown enough to show how crappy a starting QB he really is and aren't skewed by one good year that the team had. No the only things I've defended Vick on is that he's surrounded by a "subpar" offense. I didn't like Knapp either. We'll see how this unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 No the only things I've defended Vick on is that he's surrounded by a "subpar" offense. I didn't like Knapp either. We'll see how this unfolds. Is this the same "subpar" offense on which a declining Warrick Dunn ripped off three straight 1,000-yd seasons, yet the offense ranked near last in the NFL in passing over that time? I love how Vick's inability to read defenses and throw the ball accurately is always somebody else's fault in your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 It takes professional accuracy to hit the fans in the seats. He has to miss 11 defenders and 10 teammates. That's 21 people he's not throwing it too! Truely amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerwin8 Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 It takes professional accuracy to hit the fans in the seats. He has to miss 11 defenders and 10 teammates. That's 21 people he's not throwing it too! Truely amazing. 22 if he counts himself as a possible receiver, which I think is fair only because it has been done before. He's better than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Is this the same "subpar" offense on which a declining Warrick Dunn ripped off three straight 1,000-yd seasons, yet the offense ranked near last in the NFL in passing over that time? I love how Vick's inability to read defenses and throw the ball accurately is always somebody else's fault in your eyes. Yes Vick spreads a defense like no other QB. Every time he hands it off 2 guys have to go the opposite way just in an attempt to contain him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 22 if he counts himself as a possible receiver, which I think is fair only because it has been done before. He's better than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Grossman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Yes Vick spreads a defense like no other QB. Every time he hands it off 2 guys have to go the opposite way just in an attempt to contain him. And in doing so, those two guys take themselves out of coverage. Vick should be able to exploit defenses with the play-action bootleg in the same way that Young and Elway did. Instead, he continues to struggle to complete passes after SIX years in the NFL - even in Knapp's dumbed-down college offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Grossman QB'ed a team to a Super Bowl before Vick did, even though he was drafted a year after Vick and has only had one full healthy season to boot. I'll get back on topic now, since we're talking about Vick and we all know changing the subject when one doesn't like what one hears is rather lame.... fixado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 And in doing so, those two guys take themselves out of coverage. Vick should be able to exploit defenses with the play-action bootleg in the same way that Young and Elway did. Instead, he continues to struggle to complete passes after SIX years in the NFL - even in Knapp's dumbed-down college offense. Too bad the line collapses on that side as soon he gets the snap. fixado. Yeah Grossman really led that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Too bad the line collapses on that side as soon he gets the snap. Yeah Grossman really led that team. I didn't say that, did I? And before you pin it on the D, keep in mind the D Vick had working for him on his best playoff run. It was pretty f'ing solid as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I didn't say that, did I? And before you pin it on the D, keep in mind the D Vick had working for him on his best playoff run. It was pretty f'ing solid as I recall. Doesn't matter Vick leads the Falcons and if we're talking about QBs whose abilities are being questioned to the point of worthy of starting you'd kind of be a hypocrite right? The defense was better then it is but let's not go too far. I liked last year's more before the injuries.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I certainly think Grossman is worthy of starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I certainly think Grossman is worthy of starting. So does Lovie Smith, but this thread is still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 And before you pin it on the D, keep in mind the D Vick had working for him on his best playoff run. It was pretty f'ing solid as I recall. Then you recall wrong. During Vick's best play off run, the Falcons D was pretty middling. 2004 Falcons had the NFL's 17th ranked D. During Sexy Rexy's play off run, Da Bears had an outstanding D. 2006 Bears had the NFL's 5th ranked D. No comparison on Special Teams either. From Field Goal kicker to Return Man, Chicago's Special 2006 Teams was light years ahead of the Falcons 2004 Special Teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 In my very first post on the huddle boards, in a topic i started, I compared Vick to Slash and was destroyed for it. Hey, I had your back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Then you recall wrong. During Vick's best play off run, the Falcons D was pretty middling. 2004 Falcons had the NFL's 17th ranked D. During Sexy Rexy's play off run, Da Bears had an outstanding D. 2006 Bears had the NFL's 5th ranked D. No comparison on Special Teams either. From Field Goal kicker to Return Man, Chicago's Special 2006 Teams was light years ahead of the Falcons 2004 Special Teams. Partially wrong - in the two strong playoff appearances they've had with Vick, they had a top ten passing D one year, and a top ten rushing D the other year. Maybe I combined them on my recall. But then again, this isn't about Grossman, the Bears D or even the Flacons D so I'll let his partially successful attempt at changing the subject come to a close. But don't think for a second I'm even hiting at Atlanta's D being as solid as Chicago's. I don't consider it a pushover either, especially seeing as how a good D has determined Vick's playoff success more than he himself has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 More pertinent is Vick's inability to play well when FACING a solid D (same as with Slash). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) There still hasn't been any news since the Feds took over. I have to say that the longer it takes for charges to be filed against Vick, the better it has to look for him. Edited June 16, 2007 by Crazysight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) Partially wrong - in the two strong playoff appearances they've had with Vick, they had a top ten passing D one year, and a top ten rushing D the other year. Maybe I combined them on my recall. But then again, this isn't about Grossman, the Bears D or even the Flacons D so I'll let his partially successful attempt at changing the subject come to a close. But don't think for a second I'm even hiting at Atlanta's D being as solid as Chicago's. I don't consider it a pushover either, especially seeing as how a good D has determined Vick's playoff success more than he himself has. 2004 Falcon D |---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----| TOTAL CMP ATT YD YPA TD INT ATT YD YPA TD YD-----------328 517 3838 7.42 19 19 434 1681 3.87 20 5519NFL rank ---> 25 19 24 24 12 11 12 9 10 29 17 2006 Chicago Bears D |---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----| TOTAL CMP ATT YD YPA TD INT ATT YD YPA TD YD-----------328 581 3388 5.83 18 24 402 1590 3.96 7 4978NFL rank ---> 25 31 11 1 9 2 5 6 11 2 5 It is about Grossman in that, like Goop, you'd be one hell of a hypocrite to join in the Vick debate over his abilities as a QB. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235253 http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396159 Now ask yourself who played with better receivers and O-line last year and don't point to the win column because you know Grossman was NOT the reason they went to the Superbowl. Oh and don't forget about the 1,000 rushing yards. Should Grossman be a starting QB in the NFL? Edited June 16, 2007 by broncosn05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 It is about Grossman in that, like Goop, you'd be one hell of a hypocrite to join in the Vick debate over his abilities as a QB. Oh, that's crap. One player has nothing to do with the other. Vicks merits/flaws are not related to Grossman's at all. Trying to link them is a sign that your argument is COMPLETELY weak. Should Grossman be a starting QB in the NFL? Too early to tell - he looked VERY good at times last year, and VERY bad at times last year. He has a total of a season and a half of NFL game experience under his belt - by that point in time, Favre and Elway looked like retards as well. If he doesn't begin to resemble an NFL QB this year, I'd say the Bears better start looking at different options. But again, that has nothing to do with Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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