Bronco Billy Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Senate vote is 46 for, 53 against, and 1 abstention after needing 60 votes for a cloture vote to bring the bill to the floor for a vote. The test vote earlier had cloture allowing the bill to go to the floor 63-35. Bush gave a small statement stating how disappointed he was afterwards. Apparently enough consituents flooded their representatives' lines of communications to see such a huge swing and essentially kill the bill, despite the unholy alliance of vote whore Dems & our idiot Prez's wishes. Edited June 28, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bronco Billy Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 Finally found a link: By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Senior Editor June 28, 2007 11:32 am link Senate Immigration Bill 'Dead' (CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Senate on Thursday rejected the controversial immigration reform bill when supporters couldn't gather the 60 votes required to invoke cloture and end debate on the bill. After voting 64-35 on Tuesday to resume debate on the bill, the Senate voted 53-46 Thursday against ending debate and sending the bill to a final vote. In debate before the vote took place, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), who wanted to keep the bill alive, declared, "If we do not have cloture on this bill, then the bill is dead." Thursday's vote is seen as a defeat for President Bush who aligned with most Democrats and some Republicans on "comprehensive" immigration reform -- and a victory for conservatives, who staunchly opposed the idea of a "pathway to citizenship" for millions of people who sneaked into the country. Border security first, conservatives insisted. Conservatives have lobbied intensely for the bill's defeat, objecting not only to its contents but to the behind-the-scenes maneuvering that produced it -- and allowed it to come straight to the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid expressed disappointment in Thursday's vote.More to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Good. Terrible bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Thom Hartmann: We do not have an illegal immigration problem in the United States. We have an illegal employer problem in the United States. Edited June 28, 2007 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Thom Hartmann: We do not have an illegal immigration problem in the United States. We have an illegal employer problem in the United States. Nobody seems willing to admit this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 We have an illegal employer problem in the United States. Instate tuition rates? Free medical care? Free education? Free welfare? Free food? Seems the only employer there is the US gov't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Instate tuition rates? Free medical care? Free education? Free welfare? Free food? Seems the only employer sugar daddy there is the US gov't tax payers. fixed Edited June 28, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hard working? "The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 Nobody seems willing to admit this. We've always been a society that looks to resolve the symptoms instead of eliminating the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Instate tuition rates? Free medical care? Free education? Free welfare? Free food? Seems the only employer there is the US gov't. Is this when I'm supposed to thank Nancy Pelosi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Is this when I'm supposed to thank Nancy Pelosi? Close. Ronald Reagan. He did give amnesty back in the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Hard working? Don't over reach, H8. By estimates, there are between 12M & 25M illegals in the country. A substantial number of those people bust their balls doing sh!tty work for a fraction of what U.S. workers would do it for. Given the population size and the way the government winks & turns its head regarding illegals, those numbers aren't out of line. Edited June 28, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I probably know more mexicans who work here under shady circumstances than any of you other than Perch who runs a sweatshop of momasitas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 I probably know more mexicans who work here under shady circumstances than any of you other than Perch who runs a sweatshop of momasitas. PooW = alcahuete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) I probably know more mexicans who work here under shady circumstances than any of you other than Perch who runs a sweatshop of momasitas. How many - I'm guessing 5 or 6 million of the 12 to 25 million BB was talking about? Edited June 28, 2007 by Chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I probably know more mexicans who work here under shady circumstances than any of you other than Perch who runs a sweatshop of momasitas. I'm sure there are way more illegals in your neck of the woods than here in Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I probably know more mexicans who work here under shady circumstances than any of you other than Perch who runs a sweatshop of momasitas. Have you turned them in to INS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Have you turned them in to INS? Are you kidding? He's their employer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Have you turned them in to INS? you're either part of the problem or part of the solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Are you kidding? He's their employer. They clean bait tanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 They clean bait tanks? They ARE the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I probably know more mexicans who work here under shady circumstances than any of you other than Perch who runs a sweatshop of momasitas. We have no illegals working for us, and to my knowledge, we've only had one work for us in that I know of, and when we found out his documentation was bogus, we fired him and notified INS. We need to build a freaking wall, and make it harder to get into this country illegally, and then we need to turn around and make it easier for Mexicans to get into the country legally so that they are paying taxes. In case you haven't noticed their is a real shortage of unskilled labor in this country, now that you can no longer fail people in high school, too many people are going to college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Thom Hartmann: We do not have an illegal immigration problem in the United States. We have an illegal employer problem in the United States. Wrong, we have both. Even if the employment laws were actually enforced, the drug cartels would continue to send their people here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Good. Terrible bill. Swerski , you gonna take that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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