whomper Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) I run an rbi league where you draft 5 guys and add their rbi totals for the year against 11 other teams..Highets total wins..If the Mets and Phillies end up having to play a 1 game playoff to decide the division do those stats count towards the players regular season stats ? Edited September 29, 2007 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I run a rbi league where you draft 5 guys and add their rbi totals for the year against 11 other teams..Highets total wins..If the Mets and Phillies end up having to play a 1 game playoff to decide the division do those stats count towards the players regular season stats ? No, ISMHO. That would be the same as counting playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 That's not true, at least as far as MLB is concerned: in 1998 the Cubs and Giants had to play a tie breaker game in order to advance to the WC berth. Both teams are credited that year with playing 163 regular season games. It certainly isn't counted in the postseason stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 That's not true, at least as far as MLB is concerned: in 1998 the Cubs and Giants had to play a tie breaker game in order to advance to the WC berth. Both teams are credited that year with playing 163 regular season games. It certainly isn't counted in the postseason stats. Well, duh, of course it's not a playoff game but in the context of fantasy baseball it's giving the people who have players on those teams an extra game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 That's not true, at least as far as MLB is concerned: in 1998 the Cubs and Giants had to play a tie breaker game in order to advance to the WC berth. Both teams are credited that year with playing 163 regular season games. It certainly isn't counted in the postseason stats. I believe this to be true - another example would be the Yanks/Red Sox playoff game - the "Bucky Dent" game ... Dent's HR was I believe credited to his regular season totals ... and the Yanks are shown as having a 100-63 W/L record for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, duh, of course it's not a playoff game but in the context of fantasy baseball it's giving the people who have players on those teams an extra game. So what.... there are also games that get rained out that do not get played if they are not needed.... so teams have only 161 or 160 games played. Regular season game is a regular season game and should count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) So what.... there are also games that get rained out that do not get played if they are not needed.... so teams have only 161 or 160 games played. Regular season game is a regular season game and should count. Nope, I just don't agree with it being a regular season game, no matter what MLB records it as. In the context of FB, it shouldn't count. All this is just ISMHO, of course. eta: I have a bunch of players who could be in tiebreaker games in the final I'm in right now and the FB season still ends tomorrow. Edited September 29, 2007 by Ursa Majoris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbaxx Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I would put it in your rules for next year to keep these sort of issues from arising. I personally don't think they should count.... Off the topic, but what software do you use to run the RBI league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 So what.... there are also games that get rained out that do not get played if they are not needed.... so teams have only 161 or 160 games played. Regular season game is a regular season game and should count. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I would say if it wasn't spelled out clearly, then it should count. In our FF league if we tumble into a grey area it becomes WWSMNFLD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Nope, I just don't agree with it being a regular season game, no matter what MLB records it as. In the context of FB, it shouldn't count. All this is just ISMHO, of course. eta: I have a bunch of players who could be in tiebreaker games in the final I'm in right now and the FB season still ends tomorrow. I agree. If a team is short of games then you can average out for the season if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMikeinNY Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 It should count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Nope, I just don't agree with it being a regular season game, no matter what MLB records it as. In the context of FB, it shouldn't count. All this is just ISMHO, of course. eta: I have a bunch of players who could be in tiebreaker games in the final I'm in right now and the FB season still ends tomorrow. Ahhh.... so everyone has to play the same number of games to make it fair. So if there is a rainout that is not resked due to it not being important enough... well then a game has to be taken from the other teams... is that what you are saying? (I know you aren't...but that is how it plays out.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Ahhh.... so everyone has to play the same number of games to make it fair. So if there is a rainout that is not resked due to it not being important enough... well then a game has to be taken from the other teams... is that what you are saying? (I know you aren't...but that is how it plays out.) That's one way of looking at it. Another is that a rainout is an equal hazard for everyone, known at the start of the season. Generally they are all made up. Tiebreaker games usually only become a real possibility right at the end of the year and will definitely add an extra game for some players. The point about rainouts is that they're much the same as days when your guys sit or are hurt or there's a doubleheader so your guy gets extra ABs. Specifically adding a game after the expected end of the season is not in the same category, ISMO. Again - Yahoo leagues shut down on a specific date - Sunday, whether or not there's a tiebreaker. Why would Whomper be different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) I would put it in your rules for next year to keep these sort of issues from arising. I personally don't think they should count.... Off the topic, but what software do you use to run the RBI league? We use yahoo..We make rbis the only thing that can possibly get you a point. See the below settings for how it is set up..As far as the issue ..We dont have a rule in place because as is customary in many leagues things arise that arent common..They get addressed .. and they become a rule the next year..The way I handled this is I told the guy if MLB counts it so will I..This will go against me..I am tied for 2nd place which is a 400 dollar prize..First place is wrapped up already..The guy I am tied with has David Wright. DBaxx..check out the settings..We draft 7 and I count the best 5..No trades or waivers..You use the best 5 from the 7 you draft Value League ID#: League Name: North Bergen RBI league Password: Season Type: Full Draft Type: Offline Draft Draft Time: Thu Mar 29 12:50am EDT Max Teams: 12 Scoring Type: Points Only Player Universe: All baseball Max Moves: 7 Max Trades: No trades allowed Trade Reject Time: 0 Trade End Date: August 12, 2007 Waiver Time: No waivers Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports Trade Review: League Votes Post Draft Players: Free Agents Max Games Played: 162 Max Innings Pitched: No maximum Weekly Deadline: Daily - Tomorrow Start Scoring on: Sunday, Apr 1 Roster Positions: Util, Util, Util, Util, Util, Util, Util Stat Categories: RBI Stat Modifiers: RBI (1) Edited September 29, 2007 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Why would Whomper be different? Because he's Whomper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) That's one way of looking at it. Another is that a rainout is an equal hazard for everyone, known at the start of the season. Generally they are all made up. Tiebreaker games usually only become a real possibility right at the end of the year and will definitely add an extra game for some players. The point about rainouts is that they're much the same as days when your guys sit or are hurt or there's a doubleheader so your guy gets extra ABs. Specifically adding a game after the expected end of the season is not in the same category, ISMO. Again - Yahoo leagues shut down on a specific date - Sunday, whether or not there's a tiebreaker. Why would Whomper be different? Since we draft 7 and use our best 5 (2 throwaway players for busts and injuries) I use the Yahoo site for all of the stats but evey sunday I send an email with the true totals which is the totals minus the 2 players that dont count..Yahoo adds up and counts all 7 so we use yahoo to accumulate our stats but my manual update once a week is the official one..So if yahoo stops on sunday and there is a game monday we will still count it if MLB does Edited September 29, 2007 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 So what.... there are also games that get rained out that do not get played if they are not needed.... so teams have only 161 or 160 games played. Regular season game is a regular season game and should count. And players generally don't play 162 games. I think I would count it as it is a part of the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 And players generally don't play 162 games. I think I would count it as it is a part of the regular season. Well, there might be a controversy in HOTD come Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 It should count. Look at it as extra inning games or overtime. You wouldn't give those a second thought about counting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I agree with th amjority here, it should count. I was at Shea today with my kids, what a game. Mets romp, benches clear twice, and Maine takes a no-no into the 8th. Great time. What happens if the Mets, Phillies and Padres all tie (a very real possibility)? Mets and Phillies play Monday to determine who wins the East - does the loser of that game then play the Padres in a one-game playoff for the wild card? Or is the Monday loss attributed to their regular season record, and therefore the Padres get the wildcard? I think it's the latter, not sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 30, 2007 Author Share Posted September 30, 2007 Well, there might be a controversy in HOTD come Monday. I dont see why ? HOTD games traditionally end on sunday ..Even though the finals is 2 weeks it should still end on sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I dont see why ? HOTD games traditionally end on sunday ..Even though the finals is 2 weeks it should still end on sunday Right....different scenarios. HotD has a fixed game length, where this is RBIs for the regular season. different games being played. HotD championship should be decided tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 It should count as was mentioned before extra inning games count along with games that have innings rained out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 (edited) Although probably not in the spirit of the game (ie "regular season stats count") the rules as posted above state a max of 162 games played - one could read that to mean that playoff & world series games count as well, up until the point where an individual player has appeared in 162 games. So, if 1 of your players has only appeared in 160 games as of the end of the regular season, his RBI stats in the 1st 2 games he plays in during (for example) the NLCS could also count. Just food for thought, to toss a little more gasoline onto the fire. Edited September 30, 2007 by ts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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