CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 Are the Vikings still pursuing Sage R from the Texans??? They can not go into this seaso like they did in 07 with crap at back up fpr T-Jax. I agree that the Vikings are going to give him 08 to prove himself, but as Outshined stated above, he needs to stay healthy and stop pulling himsel out of games. Berrian and Rice give the Vikings a nice 1-2 puch at receiver and I assume they are going to try and get AD more involved in the passing game via the often underused screen or dump off pass. So far I am not overly excited nor am I dissapointed by the Vikings FA.... There is a lot of $$ out there and guys are getting huge paychecks for average performance. The last I heard they were looking at JP Losman as well for a later round pick. If I had to guess, this is the route they will go in addition to drafting yet another QB on the 2nd day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muchofawhere Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 If the Vikings can sign Sage, they'll be a team to be reckened with... From an Eagles fan to owns AD in his home league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 All this does is downgrade Berrian for FF IMO. I'll believe in Jackson when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Vikings have offered a 3rd round pick for Sage Rosenfels. Texans want a 2nd round pick for him. That's not too much of a difference in the big picture, so I'm guessing that the two teams will continue to try to negotiate a deal. Unless some other team suddenly swoops in with an offer of a higher pick, I would guess that the Vikings will end up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 (edited) All this does is downgrade Berrian for FF IMO. I'll believe in Jackson when I see it. I posted this earlier this past yr(i didnt go and look at how TJax compared after he finished out the season) E. MANNING drafted 1.1 1st 9 starts 3-6 as a starter only passed for over 200 yards once(201) 1314 Passing Yards 35 Rushing Yards and NO TDs 9 TDs to 11 Ints 48.9% completion % 3 Fumbles , 1 lost Sacked 15 Times here is another one: D. McNABB Drafted 1.2 1st 9 starts(another highly touted QB coming into the draft) 3-6 as a starter only passed for more then 200 yards once(214) 1244 passing yards 325 rushing yards w/ 2 TDs 10 passing TDs and 9 INTS 52.1% completion % 7 fumbles, 5 lost Sacked 25 times Now look at TJax for his first 9 starts T. JACKSON drafted 2.32(64th overall) 5-4 as a starter Tjax has thrown for over 200 only once(213) 1340 Passing Yards 199 Rushing Yards with 2 Rushing TDs 5 TDs to 10 Ints 55.2% completion % 5 Fumbles , 1 lost Sacked 19 Times I am not saying that TJax will end up like either Manning or McNabb but just simply pointing out that it is really a bit to early to jump to conclusions about the kid is all I still think it is a bit to early to make any definitive conclusions about TJax after I posted that about TJax he finished the year: W-3 L-2 93 completions 150 attempts 62% completion % 6 TDs 6 INTs Sacked 6 times Fumbles/Fumbles Lost 1/1 EDIT: I am updating McNabb and Manning's stats to 14 games(how many starts TJax has) D. McNABB Drafted 1.2 1st 14 starts(another highly touted QB coming into the draft) 7-7 as a starter only passed for more then 200 yards 5 times(one over 300) 2396 passing yards 508 rushing yards w/ 2 TDs 16 passing TDs and 13 INTS 56.7% completion % 9 fumbles, 6 lost Sacked 35 times E. MANNING drafted 1.1 1st 14 starts 6-8 as a starter only passed for over 200 yards 5 times (one over 300) 2537 Passing Yards 56 Rushing Yards and NO TDs 19 TDs to 14 Ints 50.1% completion % 6 Fumbles , 2 lost Sacked 24 Times Now look at TJax for his first 14 starts T. JACKSON drafted 2.32(64th overall) 8-6 as a starter Tjax has thrown for over 200 4 times(no 300 yard+ games) 2174 Passing Yards 317 Rushing Yards with 4 Rushing TDs 10 TDs to 15 Ints 57.8% completion % 8 Fumbles , 3 lost Sacked 26 Times Edited March 3, 2008 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Give me numbers til' I'm blue in the face. I have watched Jackson play somewhere around five games. I could have watched the wrong five, but this guy was far from accurate. That's all I'm saying. It is going to be very difficult for any WR to put up viable numbers with a quarterback who doesn't seem to be accurate down the field, besides the fact that Berrian is now on a team that is going to run the ball as often as any team in football. There is just no way Berrian catches more than the 71 balls he caught last year in this offense. The Bears threw the ball down the field A TON the last two years. The Vikings do not do this nearly as much. Berrian will make the Vikes passing game substantially better, but it will not be beneficial to his own numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROYALWITCHEESE Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 The telling stat is TD to INT ratio. And with AD running the ball, there is no excuse for that poor of a ratio... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 (edited) Give me numbers til' I'm blue in the face. I have watched Jackson play somewhere around five games. I could have watched the wrong five, but this guy was far from accurate. That's all I'm saying. It is going to be very difficult for any WR to put up viable numbers with a quarterback who doesn't seem to be accurate down the field, besides the fact that Berrian is now on a team that is going to run the ball as often as any team in football. There is just no way Berrian catches more than the 71 balls he caught last year in this offense. The Bears threw the ball down the field A TON the last two years. The Vikings do not do this nearly as much. Berrian will make the Vikes passing game substantially better, but it will not be beneficial to his own numbers. I'm not at all sold on Tarvaris Jackson yet, but there were a couple of games last year where I actually found myself saying, "Wow, he has really improved." Now if he can keep it up, the way other QB's have been able to do (as demonstrated in Keggerz post), then he could become very productive very fast. Still a wait and see situation. edit to add: Now that I think about it, the game where he truly impressed me was against the Lions. So take that for what its worth. Edited March 3, 2008 by Savage Beatings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Now that I think about it, the game where he truly impressed me was against the Lions. So take that for what its worth. That's the one we watched as a league - Jackson was good but you're right to say "who wouldn't be?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 That's the one we watched as a league - Jackson was good but you're right to say "who wouldn't be?". Yep... that's the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Gems like these weren't helping Tarvaris' cause... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellab Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 This great news, now lets go get a couple of defensive backs that can cover the pass and we have got a shot with a developing QB. Plenty of salary cap money to make this a great team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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