wiegie Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 One eye witness speaking on condition of anonymity, who is a member of the UW Greek community but not associated with Sigma Phi Epsilon, said the bucket contained a “slurry of vomit (and) urine with large brown chunks that could have been feces” and was dumped on three members’ heads. The source said he was standing across the street with an unobstructed view and could smell the contents of the bucket that made two of the students vomit. http://badgerherald.com/news/2008/05/07/uw..._frat_after.php (Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say "fraternity men"--I would hate to denigrate the Greek system.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 See, this is why I just hung out with frat guys instead of pledging. All the free beer you can drink without the bodily fluids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Gee, I wonder if that's why my daughter is the new president of her local affiliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Pretty gross but at least post the entire excerpt. You're almost as bad as the media with misquoting. Sophomore Sigma Phi Epsilon member Patrick Kurkiewicz said the event is a tradition during which pledges have an opportunity to dump buckets with any contents on the older members of the fraternity.“Nothing was happening that both sides didn’t agree to,” Kurkiewicz said, adding he did not see the event as hazing. “In my semester they put all sorts of crap in [the buckets].” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Pretty gross but at least post the entire excerpt. You're almost as bad as the media with misquoting. Not exactly sure how this makes it any better. So I'm supposed to not be grossed out because the guys agreed to have a bucket full of vomit, urine, and crap dumped on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Not exactly sure how this makes it any better. So I'm supposed to not be grossed out because the guys agreed to have a bucket full of vomit, urine, and crap dumped on them? It's not, but at least we know that they collectively agreed to be morans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 It's not, but at least we know that they collectively agreed to be morans. and what is a frat if not a bunch of guys who agreed to collectively be morans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 and what is a frat if not a bunch of guys who agreed to collectively be morans? Yeah that's it. :azrollseyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Not exactly sure how this makes it any better. So I'm supposed to not be grossed out because the guys agreed to have a bucket full of vomit, urine, and crap dumped on them? Methinks Twiliey's point was that wiegie allowed his dislike of fraternities to paint this in a little different light than the facts support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Methinks Twiliey's point was that wiegie allowed his dislike of fraternities to paint this in a little different light than the facts support... Of course, the irony is that if it was simply a few guys who dumped buckets of this stuff on unsuspecting people, that would simply be a mean prank. The fact that these guys actually agreed to have this dumped on them is far more twisted and a much bigger indictment of the Greek system that Ouija allegedly hates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Methinks Twiliey's point was that wiegie allowed his dislike of fraternities to paint this in a little different light than the facts support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) The fact that these guys actually agreed to have this dumped on them is far more twisted and a much bigger indictment of the Greek system that Ouija allegedly hates. Isn't this more of an indictment of the particular morans involved, rather than the Greek system in general? Edited May 13, 2008 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSUChiefsTarheelFan Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) Isn't this more of an indictment of the particular morans involved, rather than the Greek system in general? F uK EM!!!! THEY ARE ALL MORONS!!!!!! Edited May 13, 2008 by KSUChiefsTarheelFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 and then when I wore my first dressK EM!!!! THEY ARE ALL MORONS!!!!!! oooookay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Isn't this more of an indictment of the particular morans involved, rather than the Greek system in general? OK, to re-cap: A post was made regarding some frat boys doing something particularly gross. Perhaps the intent was to poke fun at the Greek system, perhaps it was merely a random story about three idiots who happened to be Greek. I'm not speculating which. Regardless, Twiley took some offense, presumably because he was in a frat, but merely pointed out that all parties agreed. It is confirmed that his intention by bringing this fact to light was that leaving that fact out somehow made the act, and thus frats, seem worse that it was. I'm simply saying, if that's his defense of frats, it's pretty laughable. "We frats may dump buckets of urine, vomit, and feces on each other, but at least we don't mind!" That's really it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 First of all, go my alma mater. I was not in a frat, however. Secondly, looks like they'll need to find a new place for such activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Methinks Twiliey's point was that wiegie allowed his dislike of fraternities to paint this in a little different light than the facts support... He just posted a quote of a gross story. In what light do you think he was painting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Isn't this more of an indictment of the particular morans involved, rather than the Greek system in general? right, because this is a totally isolated incident. frat boys never do stupid chit like this to each other in the name of their fraternal manlove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 right, because this is a totally isolated incident. frat boys never do stupid chit like this to each other in the name of their fraternal manlove Because people that aren't in fraternities never do stupid stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 right, because this is a totally isolated incident. frat boys never do stupid chit like this to each other in the name of their fraternal manlove Hey, I'm not defending these goofballs. But I've got no problem calling someone out if they're painting with too broad a brush/overgeneralizing. As Darin pointed out, it ain't like non-greek folks are devoid of doing stupid stuff. All I'm saying is these guys don't represent anyone's greek experience but their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Because people that aren't in fraternities never do stupid stuff. I didn't do a google search on it, but do you have a different example of college students who aren't involved in a fraternity who willingly let their friends dump excrement on their heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Hey, I'm not defending these goofballs. But I've got no problem calling someone out if they're painting with too broad a brush/overgeneralizing. As Darin pointed out, it ain't like non-greek folks are devoid of doing stupid stuff. All I'm saying is these guys don't represent anyone's greek experience but their own. Sophomore Sigma Phi Epsilon member Patrick Kurkiewicz said the event is a tradition OK, so maybe it represents their experience and the experience of many before them. Listen, I'm not trying to bash the whole greek system. The other thread started shows how important these bonds are to those who get involved. That's great. I've got a ton of friends who were greek and my experiences at that age were not entirely different or devoid of sophomoric idiocy. However, like wiegie says, you simply don't find many, if any articles about institutional BS like this happening to non-affiliated kids of this age. I have a circle of friends from HS/College that may as well be a frat. We've done some crazy things together, stood by each other in times of need, and still talk rather frequently even 20 years later. And yes, we pulled some Jackass level stuff on each other over the years. Also, while not officially condoned, everybody understood the deal. At some point, somebody was going to screw with you and you just rolled with the punches. However, inclusion was a tad more organic. We didn't have votes to see who could join and, more specifically, there wasn't some initiation rite where you got a bucket of crap dumped on you (yes, I understand the above story is not an initiation rite, but it is a "tradition"). The thing is, we know that not every single guy to go through the greek system has a fetish for buckets of vomit/urine/crap. It's still damned funny and yet another example of the rather embarrassing nature of the system. To dig your heels in and remind us that this doesn't accurately reflect on Greek life just makes you look silly. Edited May 14, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I didn't do a google search on it, but do you have a different example of college students who aren't involved in a fraternity who willingly let their friends dump excrement on their heads? darin, I would start my search with art majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hey, I'm not defending these goofballs. But I've got no problem calling someone out if they're painting with too broad a brush/overgeneralizing. As Darin pointed out, it ain't like non-greek folks are devoid of doing stupid stuff. All I'm saying is these guys don't represent anyone's greek experience but their own. true enough. I mean, why can't these guys just teabag each other and hump goats and stuff like they do at normal frat boy hazings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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