TimC Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Holds up lighter. Let them burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm saying that Californians didn't get improve their leadership by electing the guy who played air guitar and said "I'll be back" instead of addressing any issues when they were already in trouble. I'll be the first to admit, I don't follow California politics real close, but I think Arnold has done a pretty good job considering the state house he has had to work with. I don't agree with some of the stuff he has proposed, but from a fiscal standpoint I don't know that you could get much better. He tried working with the crazy state house and when that didn't work he tried taking the issues directly to the people. I guess my question is what more do you want from a guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I think that people who elected Arnold Shwartzenegger in the biggest circus of an election I've ever seen probably shouldn't complain about how badly their state government is run. They should probably only comment on how entertaining it is... which is "very". Honestly what did people think was going to happen? how the govt is run? the state is bankrupt and has no tax revenue. how could anyone run something that has no income? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 California is a shining example of the inevitable conclusion to Socialism. Of course, people won't learn from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm saying that Californians didn't get improve their leadership by electing the guy who played air guitar and said "I'll be back" instead of addressing any issues when they were already in trouble. The problem isn't Ah-nuld, it's the state legislature. California simply has too many people taking from the system and not enough people contributing. The governor is actually fiscal sane. Raise taxes or cut spending: those, or some combination of those, are our choices. The Legislature wants to use accounting trickery, additional borrowings, and bonds no one wants to buy to pump more money into an endless black hole of entitlement spending. Ah-nuld and the California republicans (which is the equivalent of a moderate Texas socialist) have put their foot down in order to keep an already disastrous situation from become even more so. Regardless of how he came to power, I just don't think you can pin this one on Ah-nuld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'll admit one of the major reasons I left California for Texas was state income tax. And I know several other ex-Californians that had that as a major reason why they left. If you have any choice where you work, why work where it is more expensive to live and you pay way more in taxes? California is the most beautiful and diverse state geographically but having lived in Sacramento for 22 years, I can assure you that the governor there can do little more than sit and wait for the legislature to get done messing things up. The budget process in California is an annual drama that most other states could never understand. That goes back more than a decade and is independent of who (or what) the governor is. The scary part is that it seems to only get worse and the recession is really harmful in California where home prices were sky high and no one can afford to lose their job. California is also one of the few states that have propositions on the ballot. This is where the legislature doesn't want to put their individual names on something they know will be unpopular, so they float it out for a vote and dress it up as being for the children, public safety, etc. It really is a shame because California is such a cool place and that is why there are so many people there. I believe their ability to borrow money is almost to junk bond status. I still have a lot of friends still back there so I hope they are not turning out the prisons and such to save a buck. A lot of people hate California and think it is all "fruits and nuts" but outside of maybe SF, Berkeley, SD and Orange county, it's all people like everywhere else. In fact, when I lived there the joke was that there were no native Californians. Everyone just ended up out there from another state. I believe Arnold was re-elected too? It wasn't just that the free-for-all when they had to replace the recalled Gov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Isnt Arnold a Republican? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Isnt Arnold a Republican? He calls himself a Republican. On fiscal issues he is pretty conservative. The problem he has is that the state legislature is very liberal, and Arnold is not a dictator. He has tried several ballot initiatives to go around the liberals in the legislature. He's done most things right, it is the state legislature that is killing California. Just like it was the liberals in the US congress that made the 2008 budget deficit almost triple that of 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) I mentioned it in another thread, but Arnold ran through the recall offering to give back 400-500 bucks in DMVs fees per person, per year. It was insane then, as the clear minded folks saw this coming. So I disagree with yo mama: the origins of this fall sqaurely on Arnold and those who supported him. Now that those fees are gone, reinstating them will be a nightmare, but necessary. Edited May 20, 2009 by Pope Flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 I mentioned it in another thread, but Arnold ran through the recall offering to give back 400-500 bucks in DMVs fees per person, per year. It was insane then, as the clear minded folks saw this coming. So I disagree with yo mama: the origins of this fall sqaurely on Arnold and those who supported him. Now that those fees are gone, reinstating them will be a nightmare, but necessary. To be fair, Arnold inherited a mess to begin with and nothing that has happened is out of order of what went on before him. The recession just took a really bad situation and made it a crisis. And while CA car registration fees did cost several hundred dollars per car when I was there, very few people had to pay 400 to 500 bucks. Finger pointing is an art in California politics though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Finger pointing is an art in California politics though. Have you ever known a liberal to take responsibility for anything other than the US screwing up the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 To be fair, Arnold inherited a mess to begin with and nothing that has happened is out of order of what went on before him. The recession just took a really bad situation and made it a crisis. And while CA car registration fees did cost several hundred dollars per car when I was there, very few people had to pay 400 to 500 bucks. Finger pointing is an art in California politics though. I'm surprised at how dismissive you guys are of a major source of revenue. Not sure when you moved from Cali, but when I got here in 1994, my car fees were always $400+ and now they're less than $150. And again, I'm not saying we were in a Golden Age, but he gives everyone in the state a massive refund, and lo and behold 5 years later the state is insolvent. But yeah, probably not linked or related in any way. :perchrollseyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I think that people who elected Arnold Shwartzenegger in the biggest circus of an election I've ever seen probably shouldn't complain about how badly their state government is run. They should probably only comment on how entertaining it is... which is "very". Honestly what did people think was going to happen? You must not have seen Jesse "The Body" Ventura get elected in MN, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm surprised at how dismissive you guys are of a major source of revenue. Not sure when you moved from Cali, but when I got here in 1994, my car fees were always $400+ and now they're less than $150. And again, I'm not saying we were in a Golden Age, but he gives everyone in the state a massive refund, and lo and behold 5 years later the state is insolvent. But yeah, probably not linked or related in any way. :perchrollseyes: I lived in Sacramento from 1981 until 2002 and my car registrations were never more than $300 to $350 maybe but then again I never drove a new car or even one that was all that nice. In Texas - I pay about $50. And here you have to have your car safety inspected annually too whereas California did not care about car safety, they just wanted their registration money. Anything post-2002 I cannot speak directly about though. I have never understood the reasoning on State or Federal refunds. California gave money back a couple of times when I lived there. But I wouldn't draw any 1:1 line between a refund and anything five years later, especially when so much happened in the interim. I personally always thought that refunds were always just an election ploy since they magically always happen before an election and never seem to happen when the election is out of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelap1 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Have you ever known a liberal to take responsibility for anything other than the US screwing up the world? Good grief Perch… I can’t tell if you’re fishing or not. If not, don’t you ever get tired of spewing the same ignorant and useless rhetoric here? I think you and dmarc should get together and go bowling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I lived in Sacramento from 1981 until 2002 and my car registrations were never more than $300 to $350 maybe but then again I never drove a new car or even one that was all that nice. In Texas - I pay about $50. And here you have to have your car safety inspected annually too whereas California did not care about car safety, they just wanted their registration money. Anything post-2002 I cannot speak directly about though. I have never understood the reasoning on State or Federal refunds. California gave money back a couple of times when I lived there. But I wouldn't draw any 1:1 line between a refund and anything five years later, especially when so much happened in the interim. I personally always thought that refunds were always just an election ploy since they magically always happen before an election and never seem to happen when the election is out of mind. I didn't know you started the Huddle in Cali.... Poking around the net, it appears it was 4billion up front, with another 600mil annually lost from coffers. Given that began in 2003 I think it's fair to say we could use that money (7 billion?) right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I didn't know you started the Huddle in Cali.... Poking around the net, it appears it was 4billion up front, with another 600mil annually lost from coffers. Given that began in 2003 I think it's fair to say we could use that money (7 billion?) right about now. Liberal answer for everything, TAX TAX TAX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I didn't know you started the Huddle in Cali.... Poking around the net, it appears it was 4billion up front, with another 600mil annually lost from coffers. Given that began in 2003 I think it's fair to say we could use that money (7 billion?) right about now. Let's assume your numbers are correct, you know damn well that that money would have already been spent on other things. Nice smokescreen, but it just doesn't make sense. For all the griping about having to bail out businesses losing $X billions, how 'bout throwing some of the politicians out on their arse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 I didn't know you started the Huddle in Cali.... Poking around the net, it appears it was 4billion up front, with another 600mil annually lost from coffers. Given that began in 2003 I think it's fair to say we could use that money (7 billion?) right about now. The Huddle formally began at the Round Table Pizza on Sunrise Blvd. in Rancho Cordova. And yes, California could use every dime it could find about now. I know I paid enough money there over 22 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Let's assume your numbers are correct, you know damn well that that money would have already been spent on other things. Nice smokescreen, but it just doesn't make sense. For all the griping about having to bail out businesses losing $X billions, how 'bout throwing some of the politicians out on their arse? We're short on cash, and a rough look at numbers show that of the 21 billion we don't have, perhaps 1/3 of that figure has been walked away from the past 5 years. Please explain how that is a smokescreen? We have term limits, and this situation is proof positive they don't work, only entrench lobbyists who know when hey have to groom replcements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Liberal answer for everything, TAX TAX TAX. That USED to be the liberal answer for everything. Liberals have since taken page from the "conservatives" playbook and now its BORROW BORROW BORROW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The Huddle formally began at the Round Table Pizza on Sunrise Blvd. in Rancho Cordova. http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&c...3738&li=lmd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 That USED to be the liberal answer for everything. Liberals have since taken page from the "conservatives" playbook and now its BORROW BORROW BORROW. That is beautiful, yo. :sniffandwipesawaytear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) That is beautiful, yo. :sniffandwipesawaytear: I'm so freakin' disappointed that the citizenry has allowed itself to become polarized behind the war banners of these equally greedy, self-interested, and ultimately incompetent parties. They've both abandoned their core values, and neither embraces fiscal pragmatism. At least Californians had the good sense to vote down everything, except the cap on raises for state politicians. It ain't perfect, but its a step in the right direction. The state, like the households within it, must learn to live within its means. Edited May 20, 2009 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm so freakin' disappointed that the citizenry has allowed itself to become polarized behind the war banners of these equally greedy, self-interested, and ultimately incompetent parties. They've both abandoned their core values, and neither embraces fiscal pragmatism. At least Californians had the good sense to vote down everything, except the cap on raises for state politicians. It ain't perfect, but its a step in the right direction. The state, like the households within it, must learn to live within its means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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