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I was waiting for the propaganda pitch seeing as it was put forth by a religious faction. Too bad it ends with such a pitch, otherwise it's a pretty damn good reminder of what makes this country great.

 

On the other side of this coin, I have to wonder about force feeding this message to kids and whether it is a good thing or not. The older I get, the more I question whether the concept of nationalism is just as divisive and ultimately, just as bad for humans as religion is.

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Under God.

 

Does it make us any better to claim God as our own, to claim his hand guiding our actions as a nation than say a Middle Eastern crackpot like Khomeni in Iran? Does anyone seriously think God looks favorably upon man using Him as justification for his earthly actions?

 

I think it's great for us to try to live up to Godly standards in our conduct as a nation, but have always been weary about man using Him for his selfish purposes.

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Under God.

 

Does it make us any better to claim God as our own, to claim his hand guiding our actions as a nation than say a Middle Eastern crackpot like Khomeni in Iran? Does anyone seriously think God looks favorably upon man using Him as justification for his earthly actions?

 

I think it's great for us to try to live up to Godly standards in our conduct as a nation, but have always been weary about man using Him for his selfish purposes.

 

 

It means under G*d's grace, not claiming our G*ds is better or we're better.

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It means under G*d's grace, not claiming our G*ds is better or we're better.

 

That's a better way to look at it I guess. Though I could counter by saying we are individuals under God's grace, but the formation, existence, and actions of a collective should not claim God's grace guiding and giving complicit approval for their actions. (Which could be a whole other topic about organized religion.)

 

So are you saying we are one nation, because God willed it? I do recognize that some of our founding fathers probably did feel that way.

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The main point was people remembering and "getting" the words of the pledge, as well as patriotism, which isn't a sin or a crime or a bad idea in the least (despite the efforts of some to make it so), which should be stating the absurdly obvious which most children can grasp; it's not rocket science - or a call to get dragged down into yet another tedious religion cat fight.

 

And in that light, props to Red :wacko: Kids SHOULD recite this each day and this explanation should be occasionally heard (minus the whole "God thing" so as to keep the focus on patriotism).

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Under God.

 

Does it make us any better to claim God as our own, to claim his hand guiding our actions as a nation than say a Middle Eastern crackpot like Khomeni in Iran? Does anyone seriously think God looks favorably upon man using Him as justification for his earthly actions?

 

I think it's great for us to try to live up to Godly standards in our conduct as a nation, but have always been weary about man using Him for his selfish purposes.

 

I think that God is way too busy listening to athlete requests to worry about the U.S. :wacko:

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Wouldn't be an issue, if they changed it back to it's ORIGINAL form, instead of keeping it as influenced by McCarthy-ism in 1954.

 

The history can be found here.

 

And a re-edited version of that monologue without the "God" part, is still as valid as the version with it.

 

BTW: I don't care if they change it or not. I and my children simply skip the "under God" part when we say it. We haven't been arrested yet. :wacko:

 

What bugs me far more is when folks don't take off their hats, or hold their hands over the hearts when saying it. Shouldn't bother me, I suppose, but it does.

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Does it make us any better to claim God as our own, to claim his hand guiding our actions as a nation than say a Middle Eastern crackpot like Khomeni in Iran?

 

About 100 times each summer I see a batter come up to the plate and cross himself. Then the pitcher takes the mound and crosses himself. Then I think "Oh crap, what's god gonna do now?"

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About 100 times each summer I see a batter come up to the plate and cross himself. Then the pitcher takes the mound and crosses himself. Then I think "Oh crap, what's god gonna do now?"

Same thing as he always does, punt. Because God loves football.

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legit question. How many countries in the world have pledges of allegiance of one kind or another? Why do I have the feeling that most of the 'bad' countries do (not including the US of course). While I do beleive that a sense of national pride is actually a very important thing, having small children repeat oaths just doesn't fit into my model of 'good' nationalism.

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