BeeR Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Seriously, I give up, I know I should know but I don't: exactly what does a "gov't shutdown" mean? The Congressional slugs don't show up for work and so don't get paid for awhile? I'm all for that if it's true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) http://www.nationaljournal.com/dailyfray/w...to-you-20110406 Anyone against Congress and the Prez not receiving paychecks during the shutdown? I'm sure our highest leaders know how to handle money better than a single mom on welfare. Edited April 6, 2011 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 It's nice that overpaid gov't teat suckers will get to feel the pinch of a gov't shutdown. If the shutdown lasts more than a week or so, members of the military — deemed essential personnel — may have to go to work without pay. However, I for one am relieved that congress and the president will continue getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 It'll be just like last time - all the "essential" folks will work without pay for a couple weeks and all "non-essential" will get a couple weeks paid vacation. Everyone will be make whole in the end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 OPM Releases Guidance on Potential Impact on Federal Employees' Pay, Benefits Resulting from Government Shutdown The Potential Impact of a Lapse in Appropriations on Federal Employees From the Office of Personnel Management, April 5, 2011 If the current continuing resolution expires at 12:01 a.m. on April 9, 2011 without passage of an FY 2011 appropriations bill or a further continuing resolution, Federal departments and agencies will be required to execute contingency plans for a lapse in appropriations (more commonly referred to as a "shutdown"). These contingency plans detail which agency activities are allowed by law to continue to operate, and which activities must stop. Employees whose salaries are funded through annual appropriations will not be able to work and will be furloughed, unless their duties qualify under the law as "excepted" to continue to work during periods of lapsed appropriations. During a shutdown, non-excepted employees are not permitted to work as unpaid volunteers for the government. Any paid leave (annual, sick, court, etc.) approved for use during the furlough period must be cancelled. An excepted employee who is absent from duty during the shutdown must be furloughed during such an absence. Federal agencies do not have the authority to pay their employees during a shutdown, regardless of whether the employees are working as "excepted" or furloughed as "non-excepted". "Excepted" employees will receive pay for hours worked when the Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution. Congress will also determine whether "non-excepted" employees will receive pay for the furlough period. Federal employees' health benefits continue during a period of lapsed appropriations lasting less than 365 days, regardless of the "excepted" or "non-excepted" status of the employee. Federal Employees Group Life Insurance coverage continues for up to 12 consecutive months while in a non-pay status without cost to the employee or the agency. Both Federal Long Term Care (LTC) and Federal Employees Dental and Vision Insurance Plan (FEDVIP) deductions will cease for "non-excepted" employees. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) will provide information on how non-excepted employees can continue LTC and/or FEDVIP coverage, as well as details on other federal benefits, through its website (http://www.opm.gov). OPM will update the information on its website regarding these matters no later than Friday, April 8th. Frequently Asked Questions Q: What is a furlough? A: A furlough is the placing of an employee in a temporary nonduty, nonpay status because of lack of work or funds, or other nondisciplinary reasons. Q: What is a shutdown furlough and why is a shutdown furlough necessary? A: In the event that funds are not available through an appropriations law or continuing resolution, a "shutdown" furlough occurs. A shutdown furlough is necessary when an agency no longer has the necessary funds to operate and must shut down those activities which are not excepted pursuant to the Antideficiency Act. Q: Who are Excepted Employees? A: In the context of shutdown furloughs, the term "excepted employees" is used to refer to employees who are funded through annual appropriations who are nonetheless excepted from the furlough because they are performing work that, by law, may continue to be performed during a lapse in appropriations. "Excepted employees" include employees who are (1) performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the protection of property, (2) performing minimal activities as necessary to execute an orderly suspension of agency operations related to non-excepted activities, or (3) performing certain other types of excepted work. Agency legal counsels, working with senior agency managers, are determining which employees are designated to be handling "excepted" and "non-excepted" functions. Other employees are "exempt" from furlough because they are not affected by a lapse in appropriations. This includes employees who are not funded by annually appropriated funds. It also includes those Presidential appointees who are not subject to a Federal employee leave system-i.e., who are entitled to an annual salary without consideration of the hours of duty required and thus cannot be placed in nonduty/nonpay status. (NOTE: Non-career SES and Schedule C employees do not fall into this category.) All other employees funded through annual appropriations are not able to work during a "shutdown" and will be furloughed. Q: How will employees be notified whether they have been designated to be handling "excepted" or "non-excepted" functions? A: Each Agency will communicate with its employees regarding the method and timing of notification of whether they have been designated as an excepted or non-excepted employee. Q: Are all employees who qualify as "emergency employees" for the purpose of weather emergencies considered to be "excepted employees" for the purpose of a shutdown furlough? A: Not necessarily. "Emergency employees" are those employees who must report for work in emergency situations-e.g., severe weather conditions, air pollution, power failures, interruption of public transportation, and other situations in which significant numbers of employees are prevented from reporting for work or which require agencies to close all or part of their activities. Emergency employees are not automatically deemed excepted employees for purposes of shutdown furloughs. Each agency must determine which employees are excepted employees. Questions regarding working during a furlough: Q: May an employee volunteer to do his or her job on a non-pay basis during a shutdown furlough? A: No. Unless otherwise authorized by law, an agency may not accept the voluntary services of an employee. (See 31 U.S.C. 1342.) Q: May employees take other jobs while on furlough? A: While on furlough, an individual remains an employee of the Federal Government. Therefore, executive branch-wide standards of ethical conduct and rules regarding outside employment continue to apply when an individual is furloughed (specifically, the executive branch-wide standards of ethical conduct (the standards), at 5 CFR part 2635). In addition, there are specific statutes which prohibit certain outside activities, and agency-specific supplemental rules that require prior approval of, and sometimes prohibit, outside employment. Therefore, before engaging in outside employment, employees should review these regulations and then consult their agency ethics official to learn if there are any agency-specific supplemental rules governing the employee. Questions regarding pay: Q: Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments? A: Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid when Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution. Q: Will employees who are furloughed get paid? A: Congress will determine whether "non-excepted" employees receive pay for the furlough period. Questions regarding leave: Q: May an employee not excepted from the furlough take previously approved paid leave (e.g., annual, sick, court, military leave, or leave for bone marrow or organ donation) during a shutdown furlough? A. No. All paid leave during a shutdown furlough period must be canceled because the requirement to furlough supersedes leave rights. The Antideficiency Act (31 U.S.C. 1341 et seq.) does not allow authorization of any expenditure or obligation before an appropriation is made, unless authorized by law. Paid leave creates a debt to the Government that is not authorized by the Act. Therefore, agencies are instructed that during a shutdown furlough, all paid leave must be canceled. Q: May an excepted employee take previously approved paid leave or be granted new requests for paid leave during a shutdown furlough? A. No. When an excepted employee is not working or not performing excepted activities in compliance with the Antideficiency Act, he or she cannot be in a paid leave status. Excepted employees must be either performing excepted activities or furloughed during any absence from work. The furlough must be documented by a furlough notice. If an excepted employee refuses to report for work after being ordered to do so, he or she will be considered in an absence without leave (AWOL) and will be subject to any consequences that may follow from being AWOL. Questions regarding benefits: Q: Will an employee continue to be covered under the Federal Employee Health Benefits (FEHB) program during a shutdown furlough if the agency is unable to make its premium payments on time? A. Yes, the employee's FEHB coverage will continue even if an agency does not make the premium payments on time. Q: What effect will a furlough have on other benefits that are paid for through payroll deductions? A. The effect of a furlough on benefits that are paid for through payroll deductions varies. For additional information, see OPM's fact sheet on the "Effect of Extended Leave Without Pay (or Other Nonpay Status) on Federal Benefits and programs at http://www.opm.gov/oca/leave/HTML/LWOP_eff.asp. Questions regarding unemployment compensation: Q: Are employees entitled to unemployment compensation while on furlough? A. It is possible that furloughed employees may become eligible for unemployment compensation. State unemployment compensation requirements differ. Some States require a 1-week waiting period before an individual qualifies for payments. Agencies or employees should submit questions to the appropriate State (or District of Columbia) office. In general, the law of the State in which an employee's last official duty station in Federal civilian service was located will be the State law that determines eligibility for unemployment insurance benefits. (See the Department of Labor website "Unemployment Compensation for Federal Employees" at http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/unemcomp.asp.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 unpaid vacation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 unpaid vacation Ain't what happened last time. Nobody lost a cent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Ain't what happened last time. Nobody None of the government employees lost a cent. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Ain't what happened last time. Nobody lost a cent. get paid, don't have to use leave, and still accumulate leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 get paid, don't have to use leave, and still accumulate leave. non-appropriated, have to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted April 7, 2011 Author Share Posted April 7, 2011 fn up my Reserves time POFS Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 non-appropriated, have to work just crossing my fingers I'm not on the "essential" list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 It'll be just like last time - all the "essential" folks will work without pay for a couple weeks and all "non-essential" will get a couple weeks paid vacation. Everyone will be make whole in the end... That should help an infantry PFC's wife buy groceries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 That should help an infantry PFC's wife buy groceries. Churches and charities will have to step in to help those the government doesn't care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 There's a kid who used to wait tables for me and now is a junior DEA agent. He'll be bussing tables for me to pay his bills if/while this goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dug Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Most of the work our firm does is with the DOD. We have not had any new projects come in and everything else is on hold until the government passes a budget. Due to this, we recently had lay-off. More will come unless this gets resolved soon. Point is- there are many private sector workers that will loose because congress cant get their act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Churches and charities will have to step in to help those the government doesn't care about. I think its disgusting we are sending our men and women to war and now they have to worry about whether their families at home can eat...let alone pay the bills. Disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I think its disgusting we are sending our men and women to war and now they have to worry about whether their families at home can eat...let alone pay the bills. Disgraceful. On the subject of which............ A looming government shutdown would be felt thousands of miles away by U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and there could be a high political cost for the lawmakers who let it happen. Soldiers will not get their paychecks for the duration of the shutdown, leaving their families at home struggling to pay the bills. Some relatives are already furious. "Thanks for sending my husband to war and not paying him in return," the wife of one soldier exclaimed on a website, fearing delayed pay in the case of a shutdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I'm not voting for one incumbant in government ever again. This is some crazy sh*t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 That should help an infantry PFC's wife buy groceries. I think its disgusting we are sending our men and women to war and now they have to worry about whether their families at home can eat...let alone pay the bills. Disgraceful. The continuing resolution the GOP passed in The House will pay for all military personnel until September. Of course Obama has said he will veto it, because it does not fund some of his pet projects like planned parenthood. If Obama vetoes it, or the Senate doesn't go along you are right, that will be disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 The continuing resolution the GOP passed in The House will pay for all military personnel until September. Of course Obama has said he will veto it, because it does not fund some of his pet projects like planned parenthood. If Obama vetoes it, or the Senate doesn't go along you are right, that will be disgraceful. Good grief. So you think it's OK to use troops pay to ram through a social issue? Really? How about the shoe being on the other foot? Democrats slammed Republicans for rejecting a measure that would have funded troops while negotiations continued. Bah, neither of them give two chits about our troops. The fact that you can continue to be the ultimate partisan shill while most of us would prefer to simply set fire to all these bastards says volumes about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Good grief. So you think it's OK to use troops pay to ram through a social issue? Really? How about the shoe being on the other foot? Bah, neither of them give two chits about our troops. The fact that you can continue to be the ultimate partisan shill while most of us would prefer to simply set fire to all these bastards says volumes about you. Prior to the last two years you calling someone a partisan shill might have carried some weight, but you've shown your true colors. I've criticized the GOP where I think it has been warranted, but I won't criticize them for trying to cut spending which is exactly what most of them ran and beat the dems on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Everyone will be make whole in the end... That's what she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Good grief. So you think it's OK to use troops pay to ram through a social issue? Really? How about the shoe being on the other foot? Mike Pence had a moment of honesty on the House floor a bit earlier today. He attempted to blame Democrats for the impending government shutdown, and then said: “Shut it down, and I’m certain the American people are going to know who to blame.” ZOBAMA! Edited April 8, 2011 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Interesting how our last government shut down was when a Dem Pres was in office and the GOP controlled Congress. The GOP has this planned perfectly. They stalled the socialist President after their GOP President had gone on a spending spree/tax cutting that ruined the economy and they are going to spin it as Obama hates soldiers. Brilliant. If these politicians used their brains on how to help people instead of playing boys vs girls, America might actually be a powerful country instead of the mega rich and ultra poor. What really would be caring about the soldiers is not lieing to get them to lose their lives in a war for nothing. Edited April 8, 2011 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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