pedroz13 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I know this is all about Bettis and Pittsburgh right now....I get that. From what I gather Bettis is going to be in the Hall of Fame. Anyone disagree? After looking at his stats throughout his career, 1993, 1996 ande 1997 were the only years he was above 1400 yards. Those were very solid years. The rest seems to be pretty average. I understand he did it for a LONG time, but is that really enough to get in the Hall? I mean being a very good player for a long time doesn't equate to being a GREAT player (which is what the Hall is reserved for)...does it? I know he is a fan favorite, which apparently carries weight as far as the Hall goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I know he is a fan favorite, which apparently carries weight as far as the Hall goes. 1292606[/snapback] If that was even partly true Ray Guy would have been in a long long time ago. On topic: He will probably go in on longevity alone. After so long you have to accrue stats and move up the lists..... he has done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 If that was even partly true Ray Guy would have been in a long long time ago. On topic: He will probably go in on longevity alone. After so long you have to accrue stats and move up the lists..... he has done that. 1292612[/snapback] Sorry...I should have stated that I thought that might carry weight as far as Hall voting goes. I wasn't really sure if it did or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) He seems like a nice enough fellow (if a little dull witted) but he always seemed to just be a vulture, picking up TDs on short runs a la TJ Duckett. He has hung around for a long time though, specially for a power RB. EDIT: Lookee here. He only averaged > 4 ypc 4 of 13 years. Edited January 28, 2006 by MojoMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Sorry...I should have stated that I thought that might carry weight as far as Hall voting goes. I wasn't really sure if it did or not. 1292614[/snapback] I don't think it is even considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Well look at it this way. Of the top 15 or so all-time rushers, the only guys that aren't in the HOF are still active players (excluding Thomas, who is 1st ballot this year and Smith, who isn't eligible yet but will be a shoe-in for 1st ballot). I think the guy at #4 has a pretty good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 He has the numbers to get in ....He may not have had stellar seasons and MVP type seasons but he has been consistent ( and even very good in enough seasons ) , to get in ...i got no problem if he makes it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 He'll get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 What isn't accomplished enough for being #4 all time and even surpassing Jim Brown's record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) He has been average his whole career, outside of maybe 2 seasons. Lets put it this way if he was a Cowboy he wouldnt, because of some BS bias that held Rayfield Wright, Bob Hayes and other worthy Cowboys out for so long. Pitt went to 5 Sbs and have too many people in the Hall. Dallas has been to 8, and won 5, and have considerabley less. How can you say Irvin isnt, but Swan is when the numbers are so lopsided in Irvins favor. Irvin was the heart of the Cowboys on the field, but a joke off of it, Ill give you that. But the Hall is suppose to be about what you did on the field. Irvin should have been a 1st ballot guy , but was held out. There is rumblings Aikman may not get in this yr, what kind of BS is that. Bettis will get in because of longevity. Is Jamal Lewis a Hall of Famer. He has as many solid seasons as Bettis, just played less years to date. See my point.... He will get in whether he deserves it or not, but he certainly doesnt deserve it. Edited January 28, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Private Ryan- How does this all of a sudden become a Cowboy subject- Amazing. I think he is lock- RB's are all about total yards- I think sitting at #4 all but assures him of getting in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I think Aikman should definitely get in first ballot, but that whole mess with Irvin and the crackpipe will keep him out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 Bettis will get in because of longevity. Is Jamal Lewis a Hall of Famer. He has as many solid seasons as Bettis, just played less years to date. See my point.... He will get in whether he deserves it or not, but he certainly doesnt deserve it. 1292677[/snapback] This is what I was thinking as well. I mean if the Hall of Fame just means 'total career yards' then I guess he should be in. I think however that the Hall should be reserved for the absolute best players at their position. Bettis was never that impressive. He may have the career yards to get in, but he isn't even in the same sentence as the all time great RBs. Just because he has played solid football for 13 years shouldn't mean he gets in the Hall. He may have passed Jim Brown, but Jim Brown was an amazing RB who just happened to play in far less seasons than most of the other RBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Bettis is a first ballot HOFer. So is Curtis Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) Bettis is a first ballot HOFer. So is Curtis Martin. 1293466[/snapback] Bettis will definitely be a first-ballot HOFer if the Steelers win the SB. If not, it's possible that he might have to wait a couple of years (a lot of it depends on who else is eligible when they are). But both he and C-Mart will definitely get in at some point and it's likely that they will both be first-ballot guys. Both have played a LONG time, are great teammates, and great people. Bettis' career 4th all-time in rushes 5th all-time in rushing yds 8th (t) all-time in rushing TDs 12th all-time in yards from scrimmage Marin's career 3rd all-time in rushes 4th all-time in rushing yds 10th all-time in rushing TDs 7th all-time in yards from scrimmage Wow... Edited January 28, 2006 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 You can't deny him with those numbers. But if you look at them a bit, you can't avoid the "longevity" stigma. He's been in the league for 13 years. He's only been in the top 10 in rushing yards 5 times (2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 9th, 9th). He's been in the top 10 in rushing TDs four times (9th, 6th, 4th, 10th) And his playoff numbers have been pretty pedestrian: 1996 ind W,42-14 | 25 102 2 | 1 4 01996 nwe L,3-28 | 13 43 0 | 2 -1 01997 nwe W,7-6 | 25 67 0 | 1 7 01997 den L,21-24 | 23 105 1 | 1 3 02001 nwe L,17-24 | 9 8 1 | 0 0 02002 cle W,36-33 | 1 -2 0 | 0 0 02002 ten L,31-34 | 3 6 0 | 0 0 02004 nyj W,20-17 | 27 101 1 | 1 21 02004 nwe L,27-41 | 17 64 1 | 0 0 02005 cin W,31-17 | 10 52 1 | 0 0 02005 ind W,21-18 | 17 46 1 | 0 0 02005 den W,34-17 | 15 39 1 | 0 0 0 So, as far as HOF inductees go, I think that he is pretty lackluster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 You can't deny him with those numbers. But if you look at them a bit, you can't avoid the "longevity" stigma. He's been in the league for 13 years. He's only been in the top 10 in rushing yards 5 times (2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 9th, 9th). He's been in the top 10 in rushing TDs four times (9th, 6th, 4th, 10th) And his playoff numbers have been pretty pedestrian: 1996 ind W,42-14 | 25 102 2 | 1 4 01996 nwe L,3-28 | 13 43 0 | 2 -1 01997 nwe W,7-6 | 25 67 0 | 1 7 01997 den L,21-24 | 23 105 1 | 1 3 02001 nwe L,17-24 | 9 8 1 | 0 0 02002 cle W,36-33 | 1 -2 0 | 0 0 02002 ten L,31-34 | 3 6 0 | 0 0 02004 nyj W,20-17 | 27 101 1 | 1 21 02004 nwe L,27-41 | 17 64 1 | 0 0 02005 cin W,31-17 | 10 52 1 | 0 0 02005 ind W,21-18 | 17 46 1 | 0 0 02005 den W,34-17 | 15 39 1 | 0 0 0 So, as far as HOF inductees go, I think that he is pretty lackluster. 1293495[/snapback] Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 He's a compiler. Just hanging around. The excuse they use to keep Art Monk out but Bettis will get in. I don't follow the logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovak Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 He has been average his whole career, outside of maybe 2 seasons. Lets put it this way if he was a Cowboy he wouldnt, because of some BS bias that held Rayfield Wright, Bob Hayes and other worthy Cowboys out for so long. Pitt went to 5 Sbs and have too many people in the Hall. Dallas has been to 8, and won 5, and have considerabley less. How can you say Irvin isnt, but Swan is when the numbers are so lopsided in Irvins favor. Irvin was the heart of the Cowboys on the field, but a joke off of it, Ill give you that. But the Hall is suppose to be about what you did on the field. Irvin should have been a 1st ballot guy , but was held out. There is rumblings Aikman may not get in this yr, what kind of BS is that. Bettis will get in because of longevity. Is Jamal Lewis a Hall of Famer. He has as many solid seasons as Bettis, just played less years to date. See my point.... He will get in whether he deserves it or not, but he certainly doesnt deserve it. 1292677[/snapback] Aikman was a mediocre Qb, only way he gets into HOF is by his skills at handing the ball off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I'm not going to respond to any of the posts, because I'm trying to be the new me One of the most impressive things about Bettis has been his longevity. Running Backs normally don't have real long careers, and big running backs, with their bruising style, usually don't even make it through 5 years. Longevity will be a big reason why Bettis gets into the Hall of Fame, and I have no problem with that. He is not a 2000 yard a year type back, but, when he was in his prime, he was extremely consistent, and one of the main reasons that the Steelers have remained so consistent as a team through the years. I know this has no bearing on getting into the Hall of Fame, but, Jerome Bettis is all class on and off the field. I've never seen a player more respected by his teammates, coaches, local media, and fans. That doesn't happen by accident. The Steelers are not going to be the same without the Bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finger Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Jerome Bettis is all class on and off the field. 1294931[/snapback] You seem to consider yourself quite the expert in "Class". He's such a class act that after a strong one yard scamper, he'll get up and beat his chest and bounce around like he just won the SB. Hand the ball to the ref and get back in the huddle Mr. Classy.....You Menudo are so blinded by your homerism it's ugly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest THEbigred Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 He's a compiler. Just hanging around. The excuse they use to keep Art Monk out but Bettis will get in. I don't follow the logic 1293964[/snapback] There is none. Or not much worth mentioning anyway, as the HOF is slowly (?) but surely becoming a joke, just like the Pro Bowl has been for some time. Kind of like half the posts in this thread. When D Sanders gets in (the CB who couldn't tackle), the joke will be complete. I really don't even give a flip about the HOF any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 You seem to consider yourself quite the expert in "Class". He's such a class act that after a strong one yard scamper, he'll get up and beat his chest and bounce around like he just won the SB. Hand the ball to the ref and get back in the huddle Mr. Classy.....You Menudo are so blinded by your homerism it's ugly...... 1296818[/snapback] Yes, I am the only person that respects Jerome Bettis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Aikman was a mediocre Qb, only way he gets into HOF is by his skills at handing the ball off. Yeah, just one of the most accurate QB's of all time. Good one DIPSCHIT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Imagine this..... Superbowl ExtraLarge Seattle 21 Pittsburgh 23 4th quarter; 0:34 remaining Pittsburgh has the ball on the Seattle 7. 2nd down. Bettis off tackle. Bettis loses the ball. Bettis LOSES the ball. BETTIS LAYS THE BALL ON THE GROUND. Tatupu picks up the rock. Running Midfield The 30 The 20 Hines Ward with the ankle tackle. Bettis slinks off field. Seattle fans going wild. Seattle runs a couple of plays. 0:03 remaining. Josh Brown kicks a 38 yard field goal to win the game. Does Bettis get into the HoF? Those numbers shink up pretty fast? More realistically, if Indy runs back his fumble 2 1/2 weeks ago...and he retires...does he make the HoF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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