Caveman_Nick Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Combine, campus workouts and team workouts will dictate a ton between now and the draft. Heck, where was Mario Williams at this time last year? A top 10-15 pick, maybe? #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd1 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Johnson or Thomas will be the better pros and fill areas of greater need. No QB is going to have success with that current line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Johnson or Thomas will be the better pros and fill areas of greater need. No QB is going to have success with that current line. especially none of the ones they have now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 ...and the running backs and the receivers, granted Moss has been battling injury problems Jordan is fine, so are the WRs (once Porter is gone and hopefully Moss). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Jordan is fine, so are the WRs (once Porter is gone and hopefully Moss). I don't know about Jordan anymore because you can't blame all of his problems on the O line and now he has an injury to deal with as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungBob Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Way to early to say. The combine tells all. IMO, the combine tells us very little. I'm not really into grading players by how high they can jump, how much they can lift and their percentage of body fat. Also, most of the higher rated prospects will probably not participate or will have their own showcase. As a Bears fan, I remember too vividly watching Terrell Suggs drop off their radar when he didn't run a quick enough 40 yard dash time. They ended up dealing the # 4 pick to the Jets, watching Suggs go at # 10 and grabbing DE Michael Haynes (#14) and Rex Grossman (#18). Four seasons and 40 sacks later, I wish the Bears hadn't paid any attention to Suggs 40 yard dash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 (edited) IMO, the combine tells us very little. I'm not really into grading players by how high they can jump, how much they can lift and their percentage of body fat. What you are saying is very true, with some exceptions. Players who drastically exceed or perform below standards for which a certain trait is critical to a position can either promote their stock or see it fall. For example, speed is critical to CBs. If a CB grades out slow at the combine and there is no injury history, his stock rightfully will fall. If a CB shows significantly more speed than anticipated, his stock rightfully will rise since raw speed simply can't be taught - technique, read, ball skills can. The same thing with QB arm strength, and with O-line & D-line strength. Aside from sending up red flags in this regard, or maybe sending a message that a guy has more physical capability than first thought, the combine really should do very little for scouts - even though it doesn't. NFL scouts ought to be looking for guys who can flat out play the game, not beauty contest winners. It's been shown time & again that the guys who are combine-sexy can be huge busts while the guys who are combine-average but have proven to be good football players in actual game play can be pleasant surprises. For some reason, some scouts just don't seem to get this despite so many examples. They seem to want to swing for the fences and pluck that rare uber-stud out of nowhere instead of providing solid career NFL players for the team. Edited January 11, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 +1 But Russell will still come out on top. I don't think the Raiders are confident in taking another OL high in the first... That will be a big fear for a long time; compliments of Robert Gallery. Will he even work out at the combine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Will he even work out at the combine? He wouldn't possibly be able to enhance his draft position, and he could cost himself a lot of jack if he has a mediocre to poor combine. He might show up & do some very limited stuff, but his agent would be nuts to let him go through the full battery of tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungBob Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 What you are saying is very true, with some exceptions. Players who drastically exceed or perform below standards for which a certain trait is critical to a position can either promote their stock or see it fall. I agree and should have probably been more accurate with my initial post. As this discussion is revolving around the highest of picks in the first round, I should have commented the combine, IMO, should have very little to do with those selections. As stated in my earlier post, I wish the Bears had paid little, if any, attention to the combine. It cost them a shot at an elite pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 I agree and should have probably been more accurate with my initial post. As this discussion is revolving around the highest of picks in the first round, I should have commented the combine, IMO, should have very little to do with those selections. As stated in my earlier post, I wish the Bears had paid little, if any, attention to the combine. It cost them a shot at an elite pass rusher. Also, some unknown can perform well at the combine causing a team to select him earlier than expected, then when he plays in a game, it turns out that he wasn't as good as they had predicted. I agree that the combine has too much influence sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Also, some unknown can perform well at the combine causing a team to select him earlier than expected, then when he plays in a game, it turns out that he wasn't as good as they had predicted. I agree that the combine has too much influence sometimes Two words "Troy Williamson!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Two words "Troy Williamson!!!" my point exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 lol @ Russell getting nearly double the votes of everyone else combined. GB sheeple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 yea but he hasn't proved that he can win the big games Why are we talking about Peyton Manning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Troy Williamson will be better, I don't know why he had such a drop problem, he never had that problem in college. Of course, he was in more of a WC type of offense in college, and used his speed after the catch rather than being a Randy Moss type and catching the bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Troy Williamson will be better, I don't know why he had such a drop problem, he never had that problem in college. Of course, he was in more of a WC type of offense in college, and used his speed after the catch rather than being a Randy Moss type and catching the bomb. TO can't catch the ball either, but he turned out to be a pretty good receiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickvick Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 This could be the year the Lions should take a WR in Johnson with the #2 but will screw it up because of the back lash they will receive after the miserable failures of Williams and Rogers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabuffbills Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 This could be the year the Lions should take a WR in Johnson with the #2 but will screw it up because of the back lash they will receive after the miserable failures of Williams and Rogers. They have 2 solid receivers in Roy Williams and Mike Furrey, the Lions need a solid QB that can get them the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Troy Williamson will be better, I don't know why he had such a drop problem, he never had that problem in college. Of course, he was in more of a WC type of offense in college, and used his speed after the catch rather than being a Randy Moss type and catching the bomb. Uh, Troy is currently in the West Coast offense in Minnesota as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I'd love for the Vikings to land Calvin Johnson. Maybe our genius of a personnell guy will trade 5 draft picks and 3 or 4 players to move up to get him. Remember, Spielman likes to wheel and deal ala his Dolphin days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 The best college QB. Russell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 (edited) Uh, Troy is currently in the West Coast offense in Minnesota as well. Yea, but he's supposed to be their deep threat. He never ran many routes over 5 yards in college, I should know I was in the stands. Lou Holtz doesnt run a passing offense, he likes to run every play...even 2 and 20, and 3 and 15. Edited January 11, 2007 by CD6405 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) They have 2 solid receivers in Roy Williams and Mike Furrey, the Lions need a solid QB that can get them the ball Kitna just threw for 4200+ yds. He lead the NFL in completions, was 4th in passing yds, and was 9th in TDs. Furrey was #2 in the NFL in receptions, #20 in ypg, & #20 in rec TDs. Williams was #15 in receptions, #5 in ypg, & #15 in rec TDs. I think expecting any of the incoming rookie class to significantly exceed those kinds of numbers just might be setting your sights a wee bit high, don't you think? In fact, with Kitna & Orlovsky there, it would shock me that DET would pass on a rock OT like Thomas to add yet another QB to the fold. That just doesn't make much sense. Edited January 12, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Kitna just threw for 4200+ yds. He lead the NFL in completions, was 4th in passing yds, and was 9th in TDs. Furrey was #2 in the NFL in receptions, #20 in ypg, & #20 in rec TDs. Williams was #15 in receptions, #5 in ypg, & #15 in rec TDs. I think expecting any of the incoming rookie class to significantly exceed those kinds of numbers just might be setting your sights a wee bit high, don't you think? In fact, with Kitna & Orlovsky there, it would shock me that DET would pass on a rock OT like Thomas to add yet another QB to the fold. That just doesn't make much sense. dabuffbills is way of base, but he's just saying wha the prolly heard on some Sports station. Kitna is a strong QB, and the idea of drafting a QB now when they have so many other positions to draft is a shallow statement at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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