Dr. Rock Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 This of course means there's no way it's true, but if I'm the Falcons I think I jump on this immediately. From foxsports.com "The Oakland Raiders are preparing to make a run at Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 The Falcons would be crazy not to make this trade. I don't see it happening. Why in the hell would the Raiders give up so much when they could get much BETTER value with the 1st overall pick, Moss, and Porter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 First, no way Atlanta would include their first round pick in that trade. Second or third, maybe, but no way a first. Second, if I ran the Falcons I wouldn't want those two aging malcontents on my team. I can't see that deal getting done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd1 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Trading first round picks and Vick would be a fair deal, but I wouldn't want him. God I hope this doesn't happen, then my 3 least favorite players in the NFL will all have been Raiders- Sapp, Moss and Vick. This would be stupid and the further ruin of the Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 First, no way Atlanta would include their first round pick in that trade. Second or third, maybe, but no way a first. Second, if I ran the Falcons I wouldn't want those two aging malcontents on my team. I can't see that deal getting done. I don't know if I don't believe this is close to being true becuase it's such a stupid trade from Atlanta's point of view or if I really wish it just wouldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Funny - first two replies were : stupid if Atlanta doesn't make the deal / stupid if they do make the deal Thing here is all the players involved have baggage, and sometimes the best thing to do about baggage is to put it on a plane for good. I think the Falcons have to include their pick at 10 to make it happen, but with Shaub ready to go (who knows what he'll do, but he seems to be the most sought after backup in the league so time to get him on the field), and adding Moss to a WR corps that needs a 1 and some experience....I think the Falcons do it. Raiders - i don't know - really depends on how sour Porter and Moss really are. If they are just done with Oakland, then do this, draft a WR, make Curry your top guy....gotta be better than this year. it's a good shot in the arm to both teams imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I don't know if I don't believe this is close to being true becuase it's such a stupid trade from Atlanta's point of view or if I really wish it just wouldn't happen. how is this is a stupid trade from the falcons point of view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Listen. I have the right answer! This is the dumbest thing I've heard yet. Why would the Raiders put Vick in the same situation that he has now with no quality receivers and a crappy OL. Dumb idea. Vick is ATL not just the Falcons and with the drug thing being a fluke Vick is definetely staying in ATL and will have a great first season with Petrino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 take the #1 pick outta that equation, and who knows, maybe it makes sense. but man....then vick's receiving corps would be even worse, and who ever thought that was possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 If I'm Blank I am drooling over the possibility of unloading Vick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 how is this is a stupid trade from the falcons point of view? Because Moss is a Megan Fox and Porter is an a$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Because Moss is a Megan Fox and Porter is an a$$ So, combined they're kinda like a large enema bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 So, combined they're kinda like a large enema bag. Heh, add Sapp (wwho is a piece of $h1t) and you have a big filled up one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Why would the Raiders put Vick in the same situation that he has now with no quality receivers and a crappy OL. Dumb idea. Crappy Oline yes, but don't discredit what Curry and Gabrial can do. They are very good recievers when someone can get the ball to them. Not that Vick is the guy to do that... but still. On another note, I also think this is a terrible move to make for the Raiders with out getting a new head coach in on the decision making. Seems like an offseason move that a coach should have a say in... Then again, Al has all say. So nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 While this doesn't sound like a bad deal (although the Raiders won't give up the #1 overall pick), it would still cost the Falcons a $22 million cap hit. Even if they released a ton of players, I'm not sure if they'd be able to make it under the cap again next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Waffle Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) Hmm, let's see :thinking:give Schaub, the better NFL proto-type QB-two possible good WR-again, Also, this years #1 for the #10...for Michael Vick?? If there is any validity to this at all, then the Falcons would be the laughing stocks of the league not to take it, then grab Calvin Johnson outta GT-friggin no brainer. Edited January 22, 2007 by Capt. Waffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Could be good all the way around. With nobody to block for the QB, the Raiders need somebody who can scramble for his life. Vick fits the bill perfectly. Atlanta would win four-fold with the deal IMO. More traditional QB so that the restof the team can know better what to expect on each play instead of improvising all the time. Two talented WRs who might just need a change of scenery (even if only one of them works out its still a good deal). And then also a first round pick... holy schnikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Um, but wouldn't the Falcons still take a $22 million cap hit? I don't foresee them being able to handle that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Waffle Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Um, but wouldn't the Falcons still take a $22 million cap hit? I don't foresee them being able to handle that. You may know better than I, but would not the teams just swap the cap hits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Honestly I do not think you can say the Falcons have no WRs because that is almost entirely about Vick. When Schaub plays, the wideouts magically come to life. Michael Jenkins was a high first round pick and is very talented. I'd bump him up pretty good in rankings if he had Schaub as a QB. No ATL wideout had more than 40 catches in 2006 - that's mostly all on Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Waffle Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) Honestly I do not think you can say the Falcons have no WRs because that is almost entirely about Vick. When Schaub plays, the wideouts magically come to life. Michael Jenkins was a high first round pick and is very talented. I'd bump him up pretty good in rankings if he had Schaub as a QB. No ATL wideout had more than 40 catches in 2006 - that's mostly all on Vick. I have often thought the same thing-"Why does Schaub always look so good"-did he not have a 400 yd+ passing game in relief of Vick?? Lost the game if memory serves. Edited January 22, 2007 by Capt. Waffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Second, if I ran the Falcons I wouldn't want those two aging malcontents on my team. Yes, better to have just one younger malcontent in Vick than to have two older ones in Moss and Porter. Atlanta would be smart to rid themselves of the tumor that is Vick anyway they can...if they have to take-on Moss and Porter for a season or two, who cares? It's not like they are giving up a shot at the title with Vick running the show. Unload his atrocious salary, take the #1 pick, and cut Moss/Porter in a year or two if they don't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Unload his atrocious salary, take the #1 pick, and cut Moss/Porter in a year or two if they don't work out. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 You may know better than I, but would not the teams just swap the cap hits? I'm not sure that it works that way (at least, it doesn't in Franchise Mode in Madden). Is there anybody out there who does know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Um, but wouldn't the Falcons still take a $22 million cap hit? I don't foresee them being able to handle that. I thought the number was closer to $8m for Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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