Puddy Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 ...we should be able to gauge how good they all are by what happens going forward, no? I mean even if every victory they've had the last few years was because of a video camera, it won't help them the rest of this year, next year, etc. So even their most outspoken critic would have to admit they are good if their success continues, right? Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Lets ask Vet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soco Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 not so sure. won't they still have the info from past videos that they can use ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 not so sure. won't they still have the info from past videos that they can use ? Â You would hope teams would change their signals, especcially when they are playing the pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinatown dragons Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 (edited) i agree...IF pats put together a winning season this year, i hope it silences some critics....NO WAY do i condone what they did, but blame personnel and coaching.......here's hoping that Brady executes Sunday night, and D limits Rivers and LT to get a W against a strong team...... Â still reeling from the Sox collapse last night....4.5 lead......two more games against hated Yanks.... Edited September 15, 2007 by chinatown dragons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 (edited) i agree...IF pats put together a winning season this year, i hope it silences some critics....NO WAY do i condone what they did, but blame personnel and coaching.......here's hoping that Brady executes Sunday night, and D limits Brees and LT to get a W against a strong team...... still reeling from the Sox collapse last night....4.5 lead......two more games against hated Yanks....  Brees? Edited September 15, 2007 by SMF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Jeezus Puddy - get with the program. Â They taped signals for godssakes. Never mind what they did with them or what type of advantage it gave them. (Lets just speculate endlessly about what they could have done with them and how it effected games.) Â THEY'RE CHEATERS! Â THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IS AT STAKE. THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE EVER DONE ARE TARNISHED FOREVER. TAKE AWAY THEIR CHAMPIONSHIPS. MAKE THEM FORFEIT ALL OF THEIR GAMES. GIVE THE JETS ALL OF THEIR DRAFT PICKS NEXT YEAR. PUT ASTERISKS NEXT TO EVERYTHING. Â THEY CHEATED! Â [RIP OUT HAIR AND GNASH TEETH.] Â Got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Teams change their signals anyway, of course they will now. The Pats are good regardless. They also deserve to be punished, I think a 3 game suspension for belicheck would have been enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagobob466 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I'm not a Pats fan, but in all honesty, they just happen to be the ones that got caught. Would be hard pressed to think that no one else has similar spy tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I'm with Furd on this one and he's a lawyer! Suspend the entire franchise for the entire year. That will teach everyone, and now coaches no longer have to cover their mouth with their play charts because now they know no other teams are trying to steal their play calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 u know every team is now going to have signals, and then another set of signals for when they play N E, at leat i would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 The Jets tried to tape Moss, but he was too fast for their cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Lets ask Vet  Jeezus Puddy - get with the program. They taped signals for godssakes. Never mind what they did with them or what type of advantage it gave them. (Lets just speculate endlessly about what they could have done with them and how it effected games.)  THEY'RE CHEATERS!  THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IS AT STAKE. THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE EVER DONE ARE TARNISHED FOREVER. TAKE AWAY THEIR CHAMPIONSHIPS. MAKE THEM FORFEIT ALL OF THEIR GAMES. GIVE THE JETS ALL OF THEIR DRAFT PICKS NEXT YEAR. PUT ASTERISKS NEXT TO EVERYTHING.  THEY CHEATED!  [RIP OUT HAIR AND GNASH TEETH.]  Got it? Over half the league does it... Shannahan came out and said he has guys trying to steal the signals as well... You guys have serious ring envy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I'm not a Pats fan, but in all honesty, they just happen to be the ones that got caught. Â ... twice. And only them. Â Over half the league does it... Shannahan came out and said he has guys trying to steal the signals as well... Â With a video camera? See because using your eyes to look at things, and your ears to hear things is strangely not against NFL rules. Â However, cheating has been specifically defined and identified, and the Patriots are guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoVikes28 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 ... twice. And only them.With a video camera? See because using your eyes to look at things, and your ears to hear things is strangely not against NFL rules. Â However, cheating has been specifically defined and identified, and the Patriots are guilty. Â the patriots are indeed guilty of cheating. But they have a solid team to back up their play. Regardless, of cheating or not. Their dynasty is not tainted in any way, and the fans and critics should move on. The punishment has been given, so shut up and watch some FOOTBALL BABY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 the patriots are indeed guilty of cheating. But they have a solid team to back up their play. Regardless, of cheating or not. Their dynasty is not tainted in any way, and the fans and critics should move on. The punishment has been given, so shut up and watch some FOOTBALL BABY! Â I've forgiven OJ, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 (edited) I've forgiven OJ, too. Â Â What kind of silly person would compare what the Pats did to someone who committed a double murder? Â There is no way anyone can take you seriously with comments like this. Edited September 15, 2007 by Doc Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosGatosEnFuegos Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 (edited) What kind of silly person would compare what the Pats did to someone who committed a double murder? Â There is no way anyone can take you seriosly with comments like this. hyperbole: 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as "to wait an eternity." Edited September 15, 2007 by LosGatosEnFuegos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 ... twice. And only them.With a video camera? See because using your eyes to look at things, and your ears to hear things is strangely not against NFL rules. Â However, cheating has been specifically defined and identified, and the Patriots are guilty. I'm not saying they didn't break the rules, because they did, but can you honestly sit there and say that sending a live feed to a booth upstairs is really that worse than having guys with binoculars? Reguardless, both are stealing signs, and its been going on for a long time. For everyone to freak out and say its only the Evil Empire of the Patriots is asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 hyperbole:1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as "to wait an eternity." Â Â Alrighty then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted September 15, 2007 Author Share Posted September 15, 2007 Jeezus Puddy - get with the program. They taped signals for godssakes. Never mind what they did with them or what type of advantage it gave them. (Lets just speculate endlessly about what they could have done with them and how it effected games.)  THEY'RE CHEATERS!  THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IS AT STAKE. THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE EVER DONE ARE TARNISHED FOREVER. TAKE AWAY THEIR CHAMPIONSHIPS. MAKE THEM FORFEIT ALL OF THEIR GAMES. GIVE THE JETS ALL OF THEIR DRAFT PICKS NEXT YEAR. PUT ASTERISKS NEXT TO EVERYTHING.  THEY CHEATED!  [RIP OUT HAIR AND GNASH TEETH.]  Got it?   Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 What kind of silly person would compare what the Pats did to someone who committed a double murder? Â There is no way anyone can take you seriously with comments like this. Â That's a shame. They actually call me "Mr. Serious" around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 That's a shame. They actually call me "Mr. Serious" around here. Â Â OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 stealing signals is one thing....but what lengths you go through to do this are another... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 stealing signals is one thing....but what lengths you go through to do this are another... Â Â Yeah it sucks. hopefully this sends a message out to the Patriots and everyone else that if you do this you will pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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