Grits and Shins Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 As reported on ESPN ... no further details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 More details ... players win appeal in bounty gate suspensions   Suspensions are voided ... Roger Goodell does not have jurisdiction and Steven Burbank does  As tweeted by Adam Schefter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I wonder what kind of participation level you will see the affected players have? Â I think Fujita and Smith start right away given the lack of depth on their respective teams at the position they play. Something tells me that Vilma might not see the field a whole lot however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Players will reportedly be eligible to play Sunday  Vilma tweeted - "Victory is mine" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Payton, Williams and Loomis still remain suspended however as the ruling only affects NFLPA members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 From the Associated Press: A three-member appeals panel has overturned the player suspensions in the Saints bounty case, according to a source familiar with the ruling. The panel overturned a ruling by NFL system arbiter Stephen Burbank that commissioner Rodger Goodell was within his powers under the collective bargaining agreement to suspend four players for their alleged roles in a pay to injure system. According to source, the suspensions are voided immediately, howevever the commissioner can reconsider discipline if -- and only if -- there is evidence of intent to injure beyond just a performance pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd and schlong Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So Vilma and Smith will be playing on Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I wonder what kind of participation level you will see the affected players have? Â I think Fujita and Smith start right away given the lack of depth on their respective teams at the position they play. Something tells me that Vilma might not see the field a whole lot however. Â Â Curious what your reasoning is. If Vilma was suspended all season, was he even practicing, is he in game shape? If not, him not playing much the first game has more to do with that than any depth on the Saints. Â Agree that Fujita plays, Browns already lost Gocong for the year, and one of the backups got hurt in the second game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavinRJohnson Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The NFL really hates the Redskins..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I don't think Vilma plays at all this year. Hasn't he had like 4 surgeries since November? If anything, he'll be placed on the PUP to see if they can get anything from him this season. Will Smith, on the other hand, should be good to go. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I thought this topic was dead for a while. Now this opens up the debate all over again. Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Somewhere Rajn is doing shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Somewhere Rajn is doing shots. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Smith is ready. Vilma will probably be on his way out of town. If not for the bountygate stuff then for the fact that the talent at MLB increased for the Saints while he was fighting this battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Curious what your reasoning is. If Vilma was suspended all season, was he even practicing, is he in game shape? If not, him not playing much the first game has more to do with that than any depth on the Saints. Â Agree that Fujita plays, Browns already lost Gocong for the year, and one of the backups got hurt in the second game. Â Â I think Smith will play because the Saints need him. Junior Galette is not starting material. I'd take Smith at 50% over any other end on the Saints (except maybe Cam Jordan) at 100%. Same deal with Fujita, I'll take Scott Fujita at his current health and participation level over UDFA LJ Fort as SAM LB for the Browns. Â My point was that Vilma won't be playing a whole lot even if he is active; he is coming off multiple surgeries from an injury-riddled year last year and it unlikely to be in shape, the Saints have plenty of LBs at the ready and he hasn't been available for this week's practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 From the Associated Press: A three-member appeals panel has overturned the player suspensions in the Saints bounty case, according to a source familiar with the ruling. The panel overturned a ruling by NFL system arbiter Stephen Burbank that commissioner Rodger Goodell was within his powers under the collective bargaining agreement to suspend four players for their alleged roles in a pay to injure system. According to source, the suspensions are voided immediately, however the commissioner can reconsider discipline if -- and only if -- there is evidence of intent to injure beyond just a performance pool. Â Â So, if Burbank and the panel reviewed all the evidence and vacated the suspensions then was there ever any viable evidence of intent to injure beyond just a performance pool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Somewhere Rajn is doing shots. Â Â I'll drink when our coaches are back on the sideline & our GM is back in his box listening to the other team's calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Somewhere Rajn is doing shots. Â http://www.shot-cocktail-recipe.com/cocktail-recipes/ragin_cajun.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Word is that Vilma is destined to land on the PUP list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think Smith will play because the Saints need him. Junior Galette is not starting material. I'd take Smith at 50% over any other end on the Saints (except maybe Cam Jordan) at 100%. Same deal with Fujita, I'll take Scott Fujita at his current health and participation level over UDFA LJ Fort as SAM LB for the Browns. Â My point was that Vilma won't be playing a whole lot even if he is active; he is coming off multiple surgeries from an injury-riddled year last year and it unlikely to be in shape, the Saints have plenty of LBs at the ready and he hasn't been available for this week's practices. Â Â Ok, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 More details, from Yahoo Sports: "Consistent with the panel's decision, Commissioner Goodell will, as directed, make an expedited determination of the discipline imposed for violating the league's pay-for-performance/bounty rule," the NFL said in a statement. "Until that determination is made, the four players are reinstated and eligible to play starting this weekend." The original appeal ruling, given by arbiter Stephen Burbank, opined that Goodell was within his authority to suspend the four players for alleged "pay-to-injure" schemes. Saints coaches and executives will remain suspended because they were not part of the appeal filed by the players. Per the appeal ruling, Goodell can re-suspend the players if there is evidence of a pay-to-injure scheme, but he will have to be much more proactive about actually producing evidence this time. Â So, Goodell can resuspend for pay-to-injure if he has evidence to buttress that claim. May not totally be over - we'll have to see some of those 10,000 pages of evidence the NFL purports to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Players will reportedly be eligible to play Sunday  Vilma tweeted - "I'm still a scumbag"   Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So, if Burbank and the panel reviewed all the evidence and vacated the suspensions then was there ever any viable evidence of intent to injure beyond just a performance pool? Â Â Per Albert Breer tweet: Â "Goodell does have the power simply go back, say "thanks appeals panel, I suspended them on pay-to-injure all along" and uphold suspensions." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 More details, from Yahoo Sports: "Consistent with the panel's decision, Commissioner Goodell will, as directed, make an expedited determination of the discipline imposed for violating the league's pay-for-performance/bounty rule," the NFL said in a statement. "Until that determination is made, the four players are reinstated and eligible to play starting this weekend." The original appeal ruling, given by arbiter Stephen Burbank, opined that Goodell was within his authority to suspend the four players for alleged "pay-to-injure" schemes. Saints coaches and executives will remain suspended because they were not part of the appeal filed by the players. Per the appeal ruling, Goodell can re-suspend the players if there is evidence of a pay-to-injure scheme, but he will have to be much more proactive about actually producing evidence this time. Â So, Goodell can resuspend for pay-to-injure if he has evidence to buttress that claim. May not totally be over - we'll have to see some of those 10,000 pages of evidence the NFL purports to have. Â Â That would work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So, if Burbank and the panel reviewed all the evidence and vacated the suspensions then was there ever any viable evidence of intent to injure beyond just a performance pool? Â Â Obviously I haven't seen anything you guys haven't, but I would thing that the ruling has to do with his authority to suspend the players, not whether or not the players were guilty of anything. Their appeal was based on the process, not the evidence as I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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