chris2114 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks the NYG may become a timeshare a la Carolina when Ahmad returns? I am torn between selling high or actually stashing him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks the NYG may become a timeshare a la Carolina when Ahmad returns? I am torn between selling high or actually stashing him I would guess that 100% of fantasy football owners think there will be some sort of timeshare but that 100% of them don't know what that share will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think the only thing that is certain is that Wilson is on the outside looking in. Well, that and there seems to be no chance that Brown doesn't get at least some meaningful reps even when Bradshaw comes back. I mean, what does it take? However, it does bear mention that the Giants are the 3rd team in 3 weeks to have success running the ball vs the Panthers and the 2nd half of the Tampa game was so insane that you may not want to assume that's how it's going to be either. In other words, regardless of Brown's role, the NYG running game as a whole may be hard-pressed to keep up the torrid pace it's been on in the last 6 quarters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think he will get some reps, but not as many as some would like. I think once Bradshaw is back full then Brown won't be worth much more than a handcuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think he will get some reps, but not as many as some would like. I think once Bradshaw is back full then Brown won't be worth much more than a handcuff. Bradshaw has some unique skills to offer an offense, but Brown can punish a defense with his running game way more effectively. I think they both may have some value, but I'd hedge a bet on Brown being the mainstay the rest of the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 RBBC @ NYG ROS = 60%AhB + 30%AnB + 10%DW. Classic FF algebra...three variables and three unknowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thews40 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I agree with the RBBC scenario... it's what they did with Jacobs. The real metric is how well Brown can protect Eli. There was one missed block last night, but for the most part Eli had all day long in the pocket. A tough defense will define who gets what, but 50/50 sound about right for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Pretty small sample to use to project. Remember Wilson looked phenomenal in the summer. Looking at preseason games, the total for both runners: Wilson (28-131, 4.7 ypc) and Brown (31-93, 3.0 ypc). And Wilson was playing against first teams and Brown always came in later and played against lesser defenses. The only game with Brown getting a lot of work was week 4 when he only gained 55 yards on 14 runs and fumbled on his first carry. That is all to say I would maybe not anoint Brown as the Next Big Thing in NY quite yet after only two games. He had a total of (-1) yards in his first two seasons. CAR has now given up 4 rushing TDs and 3 RBs gained 95+ yards on them and they are ranked 31st against the run. That Brown would do well was expected because Bradshaw is out and Wilson is in the doghouse. Brown had a few good runs against the visiting Buccaneers but was that really that impressive considering the Giants were at home after losing to Dallas and the Buccaneers were one of the worst teams versus the run in 2011. Plus NYG fell behind in that game and the defense was more worried against the pass (which gained 510 yards obtw). Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Brown is a bad back. I am saying that he's probably just an average back who after two years of zero had a nice time for two games against weak opponents. About 90% of being a RB is about opportunity and he is making everything he can from what he is given but he takes a back seat when Bradshaw returns. What Brown has over Wilson now is two previous years in the system and Coughlin prefers veterans. I think Wilson has more talent and he looked better in the preseason when he was used more and early in games. Brown did nothing special and he was playing against worse versions of the defense. Brown is definitely the one to own now over Wilson. But I would not overplay what the last two weeks meant. Brown was active in week one and was never given any work. He did not show up in week two until after the Wilson fumble and even then it was later in the 2nd quarter before he had a carry. The guy getting the start is all that really matters but I would not assume the talk about Brown will be as rosy by the end of the season as it is not after helping to replace Bradshaw against weaker opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Exactly, David. Wait until NYG plays the Browns to truly gauge what Brown brings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I feel like this thread is a UPS commercial. What can Brown do for you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurkey Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I'd use him for bait and see what he turns up from the 0-3 owner after this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Pretty small sample to use to project. Remember Wilson looked phenomenal in the summer. Looking at preseason games, the total for both runners: Wilson (28-131, 4.7 ypc) and Brown (31-93, 3.0 ypc). And Wilson was playing against first teams Does playing against first team defenses in preseason matter? it seems like they wouldn't be going 100% anyway b/c players don't really want to get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekie Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would definitely sell high on Brown now and get Wilson in keeper and dynasty leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Wilson may have got the 1st team defenses but he also had his 1st team O line. If anything has been established, it's that a good O line > a good RB in most cases. The NYG O line has been playing lights out in the last 2 games, imo. Both in pass protection and run blocking. Brown has taken full advantage and looks better than Bradshaw and his bad feet. Bradshaw is a tough SOB but Brown looks every bit as tough with less mileage and a chip on his shoulder. I'm liking Brown at the moment. Essentially, I agree with godtomsatan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramhock Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 When Bradshaw returns, Brown = Jacobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Does playing against first team defenses in preseason matter? it seems like they wouldn't be going 100% anyway b/c players don't really want to get hurt. Understood but by comparison of the two, Wilson played when there were better defenders on the field. So it is not as if Wilson had an advantage that Brown did not have. Brown's best feature is that he is 226 lbs and bigger than the other backs on the roster. The Jacobs analogy would fit based on their past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I still say Bradshaw can barely hold up anymore...Bfrown should produce... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Brown's best feature is that he is 226 lbs and bigger than the other backs on the roster. The Jacobs analogy would fit based on their past. Wilson's his best feature is probably the 21 consecutive backflips he does....amazing for a man that size. If anyone's not seen it, you can find it on youtube. Edited September 22, 2012 by Atlas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n1ttanystee1ers Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I picked up ABrown off waivers and before Thursday's kickoff asked ABradshaw's owner of he wanted a handcuff and offered him ABrown, RWayne, and SJax for BenJarv, DBowe, and BCelek (no ppr) and even after his performance he still hasn't accepted. I guess he sees a timeshare coming as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Wilson's his best feature is probably the 21 consecutive backflips he does....amazing for a man that size. If anyone's not seen it, you can find it on youtube. Sure, but did he hold onto the ball for all 21 backflips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Understood but by comparison of the two, Wilson played when there were better defenders on the field. So it is not as if Wilson had an advantage that Brown did not have. Brown's best feature is that he is 226 lbs and bigger than the other backs on the roster. The Jacobs analogy would fit based on their past. I think is a dumb comment to make - yes Wilson played with better defenses but did Brown play with the #1 offense? My guess is no. Why look at only one half of the equation?? Just maybe the #2 defenses were better than Giants #2 offensive line? I don't think you can just blindly say that Wilson played against better defenses than Brown did??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 That was not my point, it was that the two were comparable as I do not see WIlson as having an advantage in the preseason that Brown did not have. Here is another thing about Brown that I find surprising. Usually running backs are either good or they are not. There is not a lot of "seasoning" for them. They either can hit the hole or not. Here is Brown's resume: Year One Drafted 4th round by NYG 2009. Never played but was on active roster. Year Two Waived by NYG on Sept.4 at 53 man cut Signed by DEN Waived by DEN on Sept. 15th Resigned to DEN practice squad Waived by DEN on OCT 16th Awarded to IND on NOV 1 Signed to IND practice squad NOV 3rd Signed to Active Roster NOV 6th, Waived by Colts NOV 8th, Awarded to CAR on NOV 9th Waived by CAR NOV 16 Re-Signed to DEN practice squad on NOV 18th Released from DEN practice squad on NOV 20th Signed by WAS on NOV 25th Year Three Released by WAS on JUL 29th Signed by NYG on AUG 2 Waived by NYG on SEPT 3rd again at 53 man cutdown Signed to NYG practice squad Sept 4th Year Four Signed to NYG active roster on FEB 8th, 2012 He has been on 5 teams and is in his 4th NFL season. It is just highly unusual that that sort of RB suddenly becomes so much more than he has been for three previous years. He was on the practice squad with NYG last year when they needed help badly with Bradshaw missing four games and hobbled and Brandon Jacobs missing two games and really playing poorly. Opportunity is very much the key to RB success but long term for him to sustain what he has done against two fairly bad teams would just be truly "beating tremendous odds". I won't fight him if he can sustain it, but I will be surprised if we have anything like this conversation by week 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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