MikesVikes Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 I'm surprised that not one single person has mentioned Shockey in their discussions of this ranking. Maybe this will be the year that he will focus all of his energy on playing instead of being a thug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Shockey actually had decent #s last year; there seems to be a perception that he's injury-prone, but he played in 15 games in both '02 and '04 - I'll take that with his upside. But he has NEVER caught as many tds as you'd like, and with this being his 4th year, "upside" goes to "unfulfilled potential" if he doesn't produce. I'm sure that in most leagues SOMEONE will grab him way too soon. Still, if he starts falling, he's a guy who averages 4+ catches per game for his career, finally started finding the end zone last year, and has the ability to have big games (100 yds, 2 tds is monster for a TE); I'd have no problem taking him if he slips past the 6th round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 1. Tony Gonzalez2. Antonio Gates Definitely agree with this - LOVE Gates (grabbed him late last year in one of my keepers and was actually benching Gonzo for him), but I need to see both him AND Brees do it again before considering moving him past Gonzo. Tier 23. Jason Witten 4. Dallas Clark 5. Randy McMichael 6. Alge Crumpler 7. Todd Heap 8. Jeremy Shockey You are correct that I agree all of these guys are solidly in the second tier but will be juggled - I'd probably swap 6-7-8 with 3-4-5 in order, then bump McMichael past Dallas Clark. But potato, potatoe, as Dan Quayle might say. Tier 39. Chris Cooley 10. Doug Jolley I like the Jolley pick, but am at a bit of a loss with the apparent massive Cooley love-fest going on these days - the 6 tds were nice, but Gibbs TEs have NEVER been massively productive; even if he manages another 6 tds, his catch and yardage #s wlll stay in the same low-rent district. I'd prefer to take a flyer on a Bubba Franks (has gotten up over the 50 catch line a few times, and has proven year-to-year consistency with tds plus the whole Javon Walker situation) or Jeb Putzier (Den has a track record of good production from the TE position; if he grabs that starting spot and pans out, could have a 70-80 catch year). Or even Eric Johnson, whose pros and cons have been discussed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvnhbbrd Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Here is my take on the TE's: 1. A. Gates 2. T. Gonzalez 3. Jason Witten 4. A. Crumpler 5. J. Shockey 6. R. McMichael 7. D. Clark 8. T. Heap 9. J. Wiggins 10. LJ Smith I have Chris Cooley at #15 and Doug Jolley at #19 AWOL Fantasy Football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigalf03 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Im very suprised by those of you who put Gates in front of Tony G because of 1 good season. In 2003 Gates did nothing (24 rec, 389 yrds, 2 TD) while Tony had a consistently excellent year (71 rec, 916, 10 TD). Gates has one good year and all of the sudden he is the best tight end in the league????????Im not saying that Gates is not a great tight end, just not going to jump on the band wagon quite yet. I mean no one in their right mind would have drafted Gates ahead of Tony last year and would be equally as stupid to do it this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilwoman Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Im very suprised by those of you who put Gates in front of Tony G because of 1 good season. In 2003 Gates did nothing (24 rec, 389 yrds, 2 TD) while Tony had a consistently excellent year (71 rec, 916, 10 TD). Gates has one good year and all of the sudden he is the best tight end in the league????????Im not saying that Gates is not a great tight end, just not going to jump on the band wagon quite yet. I mean no one in their right mind would have drafted Gates ahead of Tony last year and would be equally as stupid to do it this year. 864245[/snapback] I'd be willing to take that chance. I think Gates is SD's best receiver!! If Brees and him have the same chemistry as last year...it will be another 13-15 TD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 I think Gonzales is still the #1, and the same argument Devilwomen makes for Gates can also apply to Gonzales. Also with Holmes getting that breather with Johnson spelling him either frequently or not as people will argue, I think that only helps Gonzoles' chances even more. Everyone is very high on Johnson but, he's not Holmes and those breathers Holmes will be getting doesn't necessarily mean he'll be getting the ball. Gonzales and the passing game really took off once Holmes was off the field. The D doen't look that improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigalf03 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 I'd be willing to take that chance. I think Gates is SD's best receiver!! If Brees and him have the same chemistry as last year...it will be another 13-15 TD's. I guess it is an issue of taking a risk of either 2-4 TDs or 12-14 TDs with Gates or knowing you will get 8+ with Tony. For Gates to have another great year will require both him and Brees to play at the same level they did last year which will be hard to do, not to mention Gates will likely be pulling double teams while Tony has been dealing with double teams for 5+ years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 I'd be willing to take that chance. I think Gates is SD's best receiver!! If Brees and him have the same chemistry as last year...it will be another 13-15 TD's. 864252[/snapback] Very few TE's have EVER scored 10 TD's in one year... it's less than a handful. NO TE has EVER scored ten TD's two years in a row, and expecting Gates to duplicate his record breaking TD production of a year ago is way too optomistic for my taste. It was just one year. Gonzo has proven himself, Gates is a newbie. Add in the fact that SD has a REALLY tough schedule.... this is double sugar grape, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 no he knows who will be throwing him the ball 858013[/snapback] Receptions - 87 (44 for 1st downs) Yards - 980 TD's - 6 Average Per rec. - 11.3 Witten did that with Vinny ... do you really expect him to do any less with Bledsoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowcard01778 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 I like the original list except I don't like Doug Jolley at ten. I would include someone like Daniel Graham or Putzier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Im very suprised by those of you who put Gates in front of Tony G because of 1 good season. In 2003 Gates did nothing (24 rec, 389 yrds, 2 TD) while Tony had a consistently excellent year (71 rec, 916, 10 TD). Gates has one good year and all of the sudden he is the best tight end in the league? Gates was a ROOKIE in '03 - he caught 3-38 in the first 8 games while adjusting. Down the stretch, he went 21-350-2 - not great, but darn solid for a TE when projected over a full season. And when he got his full season, it was fantastic. Now, I wouldn't put Gates in front of Gonzalez for the same reasons you list, plus a few others (long term prospects at QB - this year he has Brees, sure, but next year he gets to endure Rivers' growing pains), but I'd be surprised if he doesn't stay near the top for a few years (just to throw #s out, I'd say his floor this year is 60-700-8). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonVito Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 My top ten is a little different but time will tell the story. Tony Gonzalez Antonio Gates Jason Witten Jeremy Shockey Alge Crumpler Todd Heap Randy McMichael Dallas Clark Eric Johnson Jeb Putzier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest THEbigred Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Nice list DMD, except for Clark. Top 5 for him is seriously delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herdmaster Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 The list is right on, the only question mark would be Clark...he's gotta prove he can stay healthy...if he does, he'll be a monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest THEbigred Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 Receptions - 87 (44 for 1st downs)Yards - 980 TD's - 6 Average Per rec. - 11.3 Witten did that with Vinny ... do you really expect him to do any less with Bledsoe? 864269[/snapback] Possibly. Bledsoe sucks. Vinny tended to have a lotta picks, but he could at least do well sometimes...and was actually MORE mobile than Bledsoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilwoman Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I'd bump Dallas Clark down below Crumpler and Heap. Those guys have been more consistent, as long as they aren't injured. I want to see what the Colts are planning to do with Clark before I'd put him ahead of those two. 858490[/snapback] I don't know there Captain...with Marcus Pollard gone it would seem that Dallas would move up under Witten considering the Manning air attack. True Clark wont get as many receptions as Witten but he will get as many or more TD's. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 (edited) 82 receptions, alright. But not all leagues give you 1 point per reception. Grits will run the rookie QB thing into the ground when it comes to TEs. So perhaps he'll chime in here... Sure, the rookie will look to the TE as a safety valve. That does NOT translate into yards and scores. Plus, Johnson's a pretty capable blocker. Dollars to donuts says he is in max-protect mode 60% of the snaps. 858769[/snapback] I think a HUGE factor not being mentioned in Johnson's "dropoff" is Rattay was hurt. Go look at the #'s. When Rattay started and was healthy he got a ton of catches and a ton of throws his way. Meanwhile when Dorsey started you honestly wouldn't have even known EJ was alive. Now what kind of connection Smith and EJ have I don't know, but it will be more than Dorsey and EJ had. Plus I'd be shocked if he stayed in to block that often. He is if not the best certainly right up there in terms of receivers on that team and I just don't see them keeping him in that often to block. They'll keep a RB or another TE in but I bet EJ goes out in the pattern a lot. Now with that said he won't be as effective as his early season #'s but I'd be comfortable having EJ as my # 1 TE if I waited until a little later to grab a starting TE. Edited July 11, 2005 by giantsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Vinny... was actually MORE mobile than _______. 872226[/snapback] That statement is just downright frightening, regardless of how you fill in that blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guggs Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Looks good. Gates has the same QB throwing to him. I think he will continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Heap is still a top 3-5 TE. Witten showed a lot of promise and is also a top TE. 857855[/snapback] Picked Witten up as a FA last season and he had a great year. May be even better this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sacrebleu Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 This year's TEs represents the smoothest drop off in talent I have seen, I think ever, in FF. No more TG in round 3 or 4. Than nothing for 3 rounds 1 or 2 bites. Than another 2 rounds and everyone figures they might as well get a TE....right after they secure their backup kicker. From the 4th round on, there will be TEs picked up in every round at a steady pace, and woe to the ones that don't get a top 8 TE. Nice list. Would be satisfied with any of the top 8 on my team. Wuld be unsatisfied if I missed the run on TEs in my draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 If Shockey's done being a jacka$$, he'll be a solid scoring threat. Eli will need him in the red zone, and no one questions Shockey's ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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