Doc Holliday Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Of course you're absolutely right here.I think this is more a condemnation of Vick's skills (or lack thereof) in the passing game, than anything else. 1321061[/snapback] Agreed, in the true WCO your QB has to have touch, Vick does not have touch. he can run fast...and he can throw far, he is just missing everything else in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 I have a simple solution. Trade Vick for Teddy Bruschi. 1320462[/snapback] Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Mike Vick is the best football player ever to play the game... 1320290[/snapback] If only those doofus coaches wouldn't keep designing plays calling for him to fumble or throw to guys dressed like the other team ... Vick blames the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) I'm surprised that Dunn isn't used more in the passing game (29 receptions over each of the past two years... WAY less than he got in TB's non-WCO).1320995[/snapback] It's not due to a lack of opportunities for Dunn. Unfortunately I can't count the number of times I'd watch Vick throw to Dunn on a well set up screen play, and see it sail 10' over Dunn's head. Edited February 12, 2006 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Your avatar. It's....wrong. 1320277[/snapback] Bruschi Bless Canada. How do we get one of these with a Canadian flag??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Hater Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 It's not due to a lack of opportunities for Dunn. Unfortunately I can't count the number of times I'd watch Vick throw to Dunn on a well set up screen play, and see it sail 10' over Dunn's head. 1321147[/snapback] Not to mention teams have their safties in so it is just faster to take off with the ball running , by the time they throw it ,the saftie who is charge of Vick slides over and is right on top of whoever is running out on the screen with the ball. Vick relies on broken plays, which means he is very inconsistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I have a simple solution. Trade Vick for a legit WR and start Shaub. Shaub is the BEST Qb in Atlanta. 1320462[/snapback] Vick = most over-rated player in the game (at QB). Wouldn't you think they would use him as a third down back/slot back/WR and use the QB with the best passer rating on the team as their starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest THEbigred Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 See these are the big 3 issues right here. Vick thinks...has a perception...and says....as far as he knows. Vick simply isn't smart enough, to be making these kind of observations. Hmmmmm.......Not exactly throwing Knapp under the bus here. He's honestly saying it may be hurting him & the offense....not saying it is the definitive problem The one and only thing he said, that is actually spot on. *Note* I didn't know that Vick even knew of such a big word as "perception".....let alone it's proper usage. *End Note* 1320795[/snapback] You're just saying these things because you are a racist blah blah nazi blah blah evil whitey blah slavery blah blah oppression blah blah etc blah. He good! :applause: LMFAO @ Vick. Keep it up Mikey, you prove your stupidity and lack of class more and more with every word. Maybe his bro can come in and show him a few things. Like how to step on people and get away with it. Oh and not get "hurt" doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I forgot, which overrated NFC Pro Bowl QB threw the passing TD for the NFC? I say NFC because Peyton threw one to the NFC. All those people on the field look the same when you're God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I forgot, which overrated NFC Pro Bowl QB threw the passing TD for the NFC? 1326965[/snapback] Ummm, the one that fumbled the ball away. Oh, and had his team win DESPITE his play, not because of it. Now where do we hear that mantra alot? Ohhh, you're right. Michael Vick. He's Antwan Randel El, only not as well used within his offense. Nothing more. Nothing less, although AREl fumbles less ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 It's not for no reason. He's a QB, not a RB...he's supposed to be able to pass competently. 1320410[/snapback] Oh sure...then you take the blackness out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Vick will not improve, he was exposed last year, and teams know how to stop him now(thanks to Gruden), which forces him to beat you with his arm. Forget what he did as a passer at VT. NFL ball is light years from college ball and the DT schemes in the NFL are vastily more complex than college, not to mention the talent at the NFL level on DT is just not even comparable to college. Vick is a bust, it just took some time for the exposure to rise above the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Ummm, the one that fumbled the ball away. Oh, and had his team win DESPITE his play, not because of it. 1328195[/snapback] Oh was Vick the only one who fumbled for the NFC? No, didn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Anyone else see the irony that Vick is a large majority of the offense, so he is in essence blaming himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Vick will not improve, he was exposed last year, and teams know how to stop him now(thanks to Gruden), which forces him to beat you with his arm. Forget what he did as a passer at VT. NFL ball is light years from college ball and the DT schemes in the NFL are vastily more complex than college, not to mention the talent at the NFL level on DT is just not even comparable to college. Vick is a bust, it just took some time for the exposure to rise above the hype. 1328230[/snapback] Good info here, I was never a Vick fan. I thought San Diego trading the pick was one of the smartest trades in recent memory. I can't imagine how hard it must be for him to drop back and the first thing he thinks about is not to run. He needs to learn how to pass, it's as simple as that. He tries but his natural instinct is to run no matter what. It's not helping his team. People have figured him out. I remember watching the Bears play him this year. Vick usually gets some yards here and there but they aren't gonna win because of that. When they are behind in games, it's usually over because Vick cannot bring a team from behind passing the ball. The fact they win in spite of him, not because of him, is so true. The team around him is not horrible. They had a great defense that didn't play well and their rushing game is awesome. Schaub did great when he played this year against the Pats. I would be interested to see what kind of market is out there for Vick and his joke of a contract. Vick will never win a Super Bowl. The fro will be pretty darn long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Anyone else see the irony that Vick is a large majority of the offense, so he is in essence blaming himself. 1329402[/snapback] Very true indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdog Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 ATL needs to go to an old school Oakland Raiders offence. Run the ball and throw the deep ball. Put pressue on the defense to come up and stop the RBs and stop Vick on the ground....and take your shots downfield. There's no way Vick will ever be an effective/accurate short to mid-range passer. So why forced a square peg into a round hole? Don't draft Shaquille O'Neal and expect him to lead the league in assists. (Yes, I know....we're still talking about football) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 ATL needs to go to an old school Oakland Raiders offence. Run the ball and throw the deep ball. Put pressue on the defense to come up and stop the RBs and stop Vick on the ground....and take your shots downfield. There's no way Vick will ever be an effective/accurate short to mid-range passer. So why forced a square peg into a round hole? Don't draft Shaquille O'Neal and expect him to lead the league in assists. (Yes, I know....we're still talking about football) 1329799[/snapback] What does Shaq playing point guard for the Raiders offense in Atlanta have to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 What does Shaq playing point guard for the Raiders offense in Atlanta have to do with this? 1329819[/snapback] I think with a little deductive reasoning, rebdog was pointing out the misutilization of a player's strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I think with a little deductive reasoning, rebdog was pointing out the misutilization of a player's strengths. 1329871[/snapback] can a guy have some fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 ATL needs to go to an old school Oakland Raiders offence. Run the ball and throw the deep ball. Put pressue on the defense to come up and stop the RBs and stop Vick on the ground....and take your shots downfield. There's no way Vick will ever be an effective/accurate short to mid-range passer. So why forced a square peg into a round hole? 1329799[/snapback] I haven't seen him throw the deep or short pass effectively. I don't see how throwing deep more will help if he can't can't hit an open receiver. Assuming they ever get a reciever who can get open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 can a guy have some fun 1329876[/snapback] :doah: Move along...nothing to see here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I forgot, which overrated NFC Pro Bowl QB threw the passing TD for the NFC? I say NFC because Peyton threw one to the NFC. All those people on the field look the same when you're God. 1326965[/snapback] Are you basing arguments on a performance in the Pro Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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