Beaumont Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 per ESPN. Eric Moulds too ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Not surprised about Moulds. But I am somewhat surprised about Lewis. Was he due a big roster bonus or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballjoe Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) I thought they were going to resign him? So, where will he end up? Edited February 28, 2007 by Footballjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Not surprised about Moulds. But I am somewhat surprised about Lewis. Was he due a big roster bonus or something? Geez - he's got more mileage on him than a 50 yr old whore, but he wants to be paid & treated like a 20 yr old escort. No surprise at all here. Now it ought to be interesting to see if DEN courts him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Geez - he's got more mileage on him than a 50 yr old whore. I don't consider 1,800 carries excessive mileage, given that Edge has over 2,500. But I agree that he certainly isn't what he was three years ago, if that's what you're getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I don't consider 1,800 carries excessive mileage, given that Edge has over 2,500. But I agree that he certainly isn't what he was three years ago, if that's what you're getting at. It's not the years, it's the way he runs. I've never heard Lewis ever equated as being "elusive". He's kind of like the uncle that sits at the end of the table at Thanksgiving. He may only be 45 yrs old cronologically, but you just know that between the booze, the cigarettes, the drugs, & the fights when he was younger that he's physically equivalent to a 73 yd old. BTW - he's #38 in NFL history in rushes already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 He'd be the bigger back fit Atlanta is looking for to go with Norwood and Dunn but most likely way out of their price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZ Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 No wonder they cut him. Had a 5 million dollar roster bonus on March 3rd. I didn't realize he had over 300 carries last year and averaged 3.6 ypc. I didn't think he got the ball quite that much and would've guessed his ypc would've been a lot closer to 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 It's not the years, it's the way he runs. I've never heard Lewis ever equated as being "elusive". I've never head that about Corey Dillon, either. And he has over 2,600 carries. I think it's fair to say that Lewis isn't anything special anymore, but there has to have been significant financial incentive to just release him. No wonder they cut him. Had a 5 million dollar roster bonus on March 3rd. Ding, ding, ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 It would be intersting to see him back up Chester Taylor in Minnesota. God forbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I've never head that about Corey Dillon, either. And he has over 2,600 carries. I think it's fair to say that Lewis isn't anything special anymore, but there has to have been significant financial incentive to just release him. Of course, Dillon does have 4 more years in the league also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 While Dillon is a "pounder" there is still a difference between his style and Lewis. Dillon had a wee bit more finesse to his game, especially when he was younger. My big question is...who totes the rock for Baltimore?? They have got to figure into the Michael Turner job search now. Possibly Dillon himself?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 While Dillon is a "pounder" there is still a difference between his style and Lewis. Dillon had a wee bit more finesse to his game, especially when he was younger. My big question is...who totes the rock for Baltimore?? They have got to figure into the Michael Turner job search now. Possibly Dillon himself?? BAL wouldn't have left themselves this wide open without a plan already in place - unless they think Musa Smith is their guy for the next few years. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we don't see a vet RB sign with BAL on the first day FAs can sign - which I think is either tomorrow or Friday. They've got a deal in place alreay in principle with someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeltown Dre Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I didn't realize he had over 300 carries last year and averaged 3.6 ypc. I didn't think he got the ball quite that much and would've guessed his ypc would've been a lot closer to 3 Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but... I don't think your average NFL fan understands RB ypr averages. They think someone who averages 4 ypr is great. Did you know that out of the 59 RBs that had 50 or more carries in the NFL that the average ypr was 4.2? There were only 3 out of 59 who had 3 or fewer ypr (Jason Wright, Kevan Barlow and Mike Alstott) Before you say that this number includes total studs: Even if we take the top 10 RBs out in terms of total yards on the season: LaDainian Tomlinson Larry Johnson Frank Gore Tiki Barber Steven Jackson Willie Parker Rudi Johnson Brian Westbrook Chester Taylor Travis Henry The remaining 49 RBs averaged 4.1 ypr Even if we look at backups who totaled between 25 and 49 carries on the year, these guys also averaged 4.1 ypr. Their names include: Arlen Harris Artose Pinner Chris Brown Stephen Davis Mike Anderson Zack Crockett T.J. Duckett Michael Robinson Noah Herron Michael Bennett Musa Smith Mack Strong Lorenzo Neal Maurice Hicks Chris Taylor Heath Evans Kenny Watson Kevin Faulk Derrick Blaylock Any RB who runs 4 ypr is simply average in the NFL. Those who put up less than 4 ypr are therefore below average and heading towards plain bad. Taking it even a step further and removing individual averages and finding a collective league avg: If you look at the total RB attempts in the entire NFL last season, there were 12,726 attempts by 147 different running backs last season in the NFL. These attempts gained 53,361 yards. That is 4.2 ypr Again, taking out the top 10 in terms of yards, The remaining 127 running backs had 9,486 attempts and gained 38,425 yards. The result is: 4.1 ypr These numbers include such RBs as: A.J. Schable Dan Kreider Derrick Wimbush Lamar Gordon Marlion Jackson Madison Hedgecock So again, 4.0 is merely average. Less than that is downright below average, borderline bad. So Jamal Lewis's 3.6 ypr is very below average, and it shouldn't shock anyone that he is not getting the respect in terms of a big contract that he thinks he deserves. 3.6 is not impressive, and to think that any starting RB in the NFL would average 3.0 ypr is pretty surprising.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 You should get a job, a woman, or a beer. You got way too much time on your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 They're still working on a deal for him. No biggie. He's not very good so I doubt he leaves BAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but... I don't think your average NFL fan understands RB ypr averages. They think someone who averages 4 ypr is great. Did you know that out of the 59 RBs that had 50 or more carries in the NFL that the average ypr was 4.2? There were only 3 out of 59 who had 3 or fewer ypr (Jason Wright, Kevan Barlow and Mike Alstott) Before you say that this number includes total studs: Even if we take the top 10 RBs out in terms of total yards on the season: LaDainian Tomlinson Larry Johnson Frank Gore Tiki Barber Steven Jackson Willie Parker Rudi Johnson Brian Westbrook Chester Taylor Travis Henry The remaining 49 RBs averaged 4.1 ypr Even if we look at backups who totaled between 25 and 49 carries on the year, these guys also averaged 4.1 ypr. Their names include: Arlen Harris Artose Pinner Chris Brown Stephen Davis Mike Anderson Zack Crockett T.J. Duckett Michael Robinson Noah Herron Michael Bennett Musa Smith Mack Strong Lorenzo Neal Maurice Hicks Chris Taylor Heath Evans Kenny Watson Kevin Faulk Derrick Blaylock Any RB who runs 4 ypr is simply average in the NFL. Those who put up less than 4 ypr are therefore below average and heading towards plain bad. Taking it even a step further and removing individual averages and finding a collective league avg: If you look at the total RB attempts in the entire NFL last season, there were 12,726 attempts by 147 different running backs last season in the NFL. These attempts gained 53,361 yards. That is 4.2 ypr Again, taking out the top 10 in terms of yards, The remaining 127 running backs had 9,486 attempts and gained 38,425 yards. The result is: 4.1 ypr These numbers include such RBs as: A.J. Schable Dan Kreider Derrick Wimbush Lamar Gordon Marlion Jackson Madison Hedgecock So again, 4.0 is merely average. Less than that is downright below average, borderline bad. So Jamal Lewis's 3.6 ypr is very below average, and it shouldn't shock anyone that he is not getting the respect in terms of a big contract that he thinks he deserves. 3.6 is not impressive, and to think that any starting RB in the NFL would average 3.0 ypr is pretty surprising.... YPC means nothing unless you have someone on the exact same team being used in the exact same way. and that does not happen. Edge went from 4.2 yards per carry to 3.4 YPC just by switching teams. IMO if Lewis ends up on the Broncos and stays healthy he will be the comeback player of the year and a stud NFL RB. he still has it IMO...he just cannot do nothing when the whole defense is playing right on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeltown Dre Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 You should get a job, a woman, or a beer. You got way too much time on your hands. I have all of the above - it took about 15 minutes to look into that. Not very hard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeltown Dre Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 YPC means nothing unless you have someone on the exact same team being used in the exact same way. and that does not happen. Edge went from 4.2 yards per carry to 3.4 YPC just by switching teams. IMO if Lewis ends up on the Broncos and stays healthy he will be the comeback player of the year and a stud NFL RB. he still has it IMO...he just cannot do nothing when the whole defense is playing right on the line. I use ypr extensively in gambling and it is one of the most valuable tools to compare 2 teams. ypr gained vs. ypr allowed and so forth. I agree though: simply comparing one rb to another rb it loses most of it's edge. However, the point remains that the league average is over 4.0 ypr. Period. That is the basic point I am making. I see too many people think that 3.5 ypr is decent, when it is well below average. Obviously it does not fall entirely on the RB - it's the entire offense and the way it is built. However a lot is the RB responsibility. There are several starting RBs for the worst 1/3 of O-Lines such as Leon Washington and Travis Henry who averaged 4.3 and 4.5 ypr respectively last year. As far as Denver is concerned, of the 6 RBs who took carries for them last year, 4 averaged 4.3 ypr or greater. And combined they averaged 4.4 ypr. So it may be safe to assume the team is built to gain above average ypr, and so Lewis's numbers should improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Baltimore saves about $8 million in cap room by cutting Jamal. He was due a $5million bonus and I believe $3 million in salary. He wants to come back, and Baltimore wants him back. The belief is he will see what other teams put his value at, then see what he can work out with the Ravens. Personally, I think he's done. Only bring him back if he's dirt cheap (like $1.5 million) and utilize a rookie. Musa Smith has a ton of talent, but is ALWAYS hurt. Mike Anderson is under contract for 3 more years at a very low cap number. None of these guys are #1 RBs any more. Get a rookie on day one of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 YPC means nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Edge went from 4.2 yards per carry to 3.4 YPC just by switching teams. Let's see ... you move from one of the highest powered offenses in the league where Manning will pick you apart if you put 8+ men in the box to stop James to a team that hasn't had a running game in decades. Did anybody really expect James to perform as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 YPC means nothing unless you have someone on the exact same team being used in the exact same way. and that does not happen. Edge went from 4.2 yards per carry to 3.4 YPC just by switching teams. IMO if Lewis ends up on the Broncos and stays healthy he will be the comeback player of the year and a stud NFL RB. he still has it IMO...he just cannot do nothing when the whole defense is playing right on the line. Please Shanny don't read any of this!!!! Please, please don't put Lewis in a Denver uni. I'd rather take my chances with Mike Bell then J. Lewis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Please Shanny don't read any of this!!!! Please, please don't put Lewis in a Denver uni. I'd rather take my chances with Mike Bell then J. Lewis! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Gigantes Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I have all of the above - it took about 15 minutes to look into that. Not very hard... Maybe that's your problem? Too much beer, so the woman becomes a source of frustration, fueling your rage against RBs with bad offensive lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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