Savage Beatings Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 If so PM me. I'm looking for possible solutions to ink smudging and ghosting issues that are now occurring pretty regularly through the new USPS high speed equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Maybe that's why they had to raise postage today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampnuts Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Pm Jaxfactor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 Pm Jaxfactor I will... thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 If so PM me. I'm looking for possible solutions to ink smudging and ghosting issues that are now occurring pretty regularly through the new USPS high speed equipment. Sounds more like a print issue. Is the ink dry when you're running it through? Ghosting/offset usually occurs when the ink hasn't set yet. What are you doing and using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 Sounds more like a print issue. Is the ink dry when you're running it through? Ghosting/offset usually occurs when the ink hasn't set yet. What are you doing and using? Well it's a combination of things to be sure... I know the paper stock can be a factor, the ink can be a factor (reflex blue never completely dries), the overprint toner can be a factor, etc... but in general, everything dries well, and looks perfect until it hits the new high speed bar code readers at the USPS. There is so much speed/pressure/friction involved that it ruins most of the pieces to a certain extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Well it's a combination of things to be sure... I know the paper stock can be a factor, the ink can be a factor (reflex blue never completely dries), the overprint toner can be a factor, etc... but in general, everything dries well, and looks perfect until it hits the new high speed bar code readers at the USPS. There is so much speed/pressure/friction involved that it ruins most of the pieces to a certain extent. I think you nailed it on the head there... stock and reflex, particularly a coated with reflex takes forever to set. I take it you're sending it bulk/standard PRST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 I think you nailed it on the head there... stock and reflex, particularly a coated with reflex takes forever to set. I take it you're sending it bulk/standard PRST? But it's happening in many different circumstances (a whole bunch of different types of paper [although mostly cover stock] and different types of ink) where everything should be and looks to be perfect before hitting the post office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 But it's happening in many different circumstances (a whole bunch of different types of paper [although mostly cover stock] and different types of ink) where everything should be and looks to be perfect before hitting the post office. Stupid machines. Is it coated 2 sided? I find that C1S handles better when mailing standard PRST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 Stupid machines. Is it coated 2 sided? I find that C1S handles better when mailing standard PRST. Again, it's been happening with a bunch of different types of stock... some coated, some uncoated, I'd say the majority of what we have run recently has had a dull coating. We've even tried a spot varnish and still no luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 (edited) Again, it's been happening with a bunch of different types of stock... some coated, some uncoated, I'd say the majority of what we have run recently has had a dull coating. We've even tried a spot varnish and still no luck! I just spoke to my partner about this and according to him this is a HUGH issue right now so you're not alone. Apparently they didn't test these machines to see if they'd have any issues with the various stocks. Edit: He's had numerous conversations with our mailhouse regarding this and he's almost 100% positive that they've stopped using these new machines and have reverted back to their old ones. Edited May 14, 2007 by twiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 The solution seems obvious. Tell the U.S. gubment to get their **it straight or you'll take your business elsewhere. They probably have a form for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I try to avoid the bulk mailing room and we let a 3rd party do all of this for us. I like to follow the rules as much as the next guy but they are insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 SB PMed me. I'll ask around at the old P.O. tomorrow. I'll see what I can find out. I could tell y'all some horror stories but that deserves another thread or three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) the new high speed bar code readers at the USPS. There is so much speed/pressure/friction involved that it ruins most of the pieces to a certain extent. Is this the only thing that's changed recently? I take it this is a relatively new problem, correct? I know in the past, people used to have problems sending printed material thru laser printers that would get too hot. We'd need to make sure our inks were wax-free, as it was the waxes used in alot inks these days that would break down due to the extra heat. Is this something you can address with an ink company? We do most of our mailing in-house, but I can check with some people tomorrow to see if anyone is running across this problem around here. Edited May 15, 2007 by BillyBalata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Is this the only thing that's changed recently? I take it this is a relatively new problem, correct? I know in the past, people used to have problems sending printed material thru laser printers that would get too hot. We'd need to make sure our inks were wax-free, as it was the waxes used in alot inks these days that would break down due to the extra heat. Is this something you can address with an ink company? We do most of our mailing in-house, but I can check with some people tomorrow to see if anyone is running across this problem around here. Typically what we do is, we print offset shells using wax free inks, and then we overprint personalized addresses, etc. on a digital printer (HP, Kodak, etc.). Unlesss the client specifies otherwise, we use paper that we know takes our toner well. But over the last 6months or so (maybe even a little longer) once these pieces hit the post office they get turned into garbage. We have tried so many different combinations of paper, ink, coatings, etc. and nothing has provided an adequate solution. This has cost us a ton of time, money, and reputation with our clients! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 we have sunk to a new low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 we have sunk to a new low What do you mean? I'm just looking for possible suggestions/solutions for a very real business problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 we have sunk to a new low How do you figure? It's a legitimate question for someone that works in Direct Mail marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 What do you mean? I'm just looking for possible suggestions/solutions for a very real business problem. How do you figure? It's a legitimate question for someone that works in Direct Mail marketing. 2 on lets go for 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Typically what we do is, we print offset shells using wax free inks, and then we overprint personalized addresses, etc. on a digital printer (HP, Kodak, etc.). Unlesss the client specifies otherwise, we use paper that we know takes our toner well. But over the last 6months or so (maybe even a little longer) once these pieces hit the post office they get turned into garbage. We have tried so many different combinations of paper, ink, coatings, etc. and nothing has provided an adequate solution. This has cost us a ton of time, money, and reputation with our clients! Like I said, you're not the only one with this issue. I found out this morning that we had a big DM project that was screwed up because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 2 on lets go for 3 Don't you have young minds to mold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Don't you have young minds to bend fixed... there molded already but in a bad way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 My last date and I went out busting up mailboxes with her friends in their rad Camaro. Does that count as being in the mailing industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 My last date and I went out busting up mailboxes with her friends in their rad Camaro. Does that count as being in the mailing industry? Depends... did you close the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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