Grits and Shins Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 (edited) Every year there are 1 or 2 owners in my local league that drag their feet when it comes to paying their entry fee. I've always managed to collect the entry fees before the end of the season, sometimes by taking them out of that owner's winnings. Last year I got tired of playing the collector and instituted a new rule. Owners who have not paid their entry fees are not allow to make any transactions (including IR) and do not qualify for the weekly prize cash payouts. Our weekly categories are: Team to score the highest points gets $5 Team to start the highest scoring player gets $5 Team to win by the biggest margin gets $5 In addition the highest in each category gets an additional payout at the end of week 13. Week 2 and I still have 2 owners who have not paid their entry fee. Owner number 1 started Palmer + Addai + MBIII + Chad Johnson + Cotchery + Heap for the weekly high score of 191.54, a score that likely would also have taken the yearly prize - DISQUALIFIED. Owner number 2 had the 2nd highest score of the week (against owner 1) - DISQUALIFIED. Owner number 1 also started the highest scoring player, Chad Johnson (43.90) - DISQUALIFIED. Owner number 2 started the 2nd highest scoring player, Steve Smith (41.30) - DISQUALIFIED. I had to get down to the 6th ranked player before I could award the high player award Owner number 1 also had the highest victory margin - DISQUALIFIED. Edited September 18, 2007 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 We instituted that rule in our second year way back in 1995 - our first year this one guy we didn't know very well never paid, but then won a bunch of weeks as well as his division and told us to take his entry fee out of that. Proble being, of course, we never knew for sure if he woulda' paid had he not won those prizes. Second year we didn't invite him back and then insitituted a rule in his honor that a franchise is ineligible for prize money until their league dues are fully paid. Never had to implement it though, everyone pays up on draft day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 we always usesd the No Pay No Draft No Play Rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I bet he pays on time next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 we always usesd the No Pay No Draft No Play Rule Long time league (I joined in '92), with a strong core of owners that have 10+ years of tenure. So if somebody shows up to draft day without check/cash I'm supposed to turn him away? And how would I replace him on draft day. Yeah, yeah ... this is where you say make them pay in advance ... I've tried. I bet he pays on time next year. The real interesting thing will be what happens week 4 when he has to either start Chad Pennington or no one. Or in week 6 when he will have no kicker or week 8 when he will have no defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 We have had the same problem. Turning someone away on draft night is tough because....well...you're now a coach short and no one can draft. Two years ago, we assigned a league treasurer (not me the commish). It's a 3 player keeper league, so we placed a rule that if you didn't pay by week 1, you had to sit a keeper, don't pay by week 2, sit two keepers. So far, we have not had to institute the rule because it's pay on draft night. Of course, we started when all the coaches were in their mid-twenties living check-to-check at best. Now we're all a little older and the entry fee has not raised significantly so it's not usually a big deal. Collecting FA money is a different story!!! Can't seem to get some guys to send out a $20 check anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Row Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 (edited) What a great idea!! I have a bunch of deadbeats in my local , great guys , but deadbeats all the same. I will be adding this rule . Edited September 19, 2007 by Front Row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Long time league (I joined in '92), with a strong core of owners that have 10+ years of tenure. So if somebody shows up to draft day without check/cash I'm supposed to turn him away? And how would I replace him on draft day. Yeah, yeah ... this is where you say make them pay in advance ... I've tried.The real interesting thing will be what happens week 4 when he has to either start Chad Pennington or no one. Or in week 6 when he will have no kicker or week 8 when he will have no defense. Same boat for me...commish of my local for the past six years, all high school and college. buddies. Everyone ends up paying, but sometimes it's week 13 or so. New rule this year is $5 penalty per week past week 4 for franchises that aren't paid. I hate bitching about money with friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo-J Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 If getting the irresponsible people to pay is an issue, why tack on more $ as a penalty when you aren't getting the original dues in the first place?! Hit 'em where it hurts - their points and record. Our league rules state that if you don't pay by the beginning of week 3 you forfeit each subsequent game (including week 3) until you do pay. Everyone's always excited about their teams early in the season, so the prospect of getting an L on your record (and losing points for that week) which could possibly keep you out of the playoffs is never good. If two people who haven't paid play each other, you adjust the scoring to 0. I've done this rule for the last 3 years and always receive everyone's money before the first week 3 game... Collecting money from friends is never fun (or always successful), but this has worked well for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 (edited) If getting the irresponsible people to pay is an issue, why tack on more $ as a penalty when you aren't getting the original dues in the first place?! Hit 'em where it hurts - their points and record. Our league rules state that if you don't pay by the beginning of week 3 you forfeit each subsequent game (including week 3) until you do pay. Everyone's always excited about their teams early in the season, so the prospect of getting an L on your record (and losing points for that week) which could possibly keep you out of the playoffs is never good. If two people who haven't paid play each other, you adjust the scoring to 0. I've done this rule for the last 3 years and always receive everyone's money before the first week 3 game... Collecting money from friends is never fun (or always successful), but this has worked well for me. The financial penalty assessed does not come from the owner's pocket - it is money he would have won had his accoiunt been paid up. So in this case had the owner paid his $65 entry fee he would have won $15 this week and be only down $40. Instead he has not paid hsi entry fee and is still down $65. Penalizing an owner by giving him a loss has the very big down side of giving another owner a win they didn't earn Edited September 19, 2007 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 The financial penalty assessed does not come from the owner's pocket - it is money he would have won had his accoiunt been paid up. So in this case had the owner paid his $65 entry fee he would have won $15 this week and be only down $40. Instead he has not paid hsi entry fee and is still down $65. Penalizing an owner by giving him a loss has the very big down side of giving another owner a win they didn't earn This is all really cool but I don't see how this topic has anything to do with me or helping my fantasy team. With that said I give it a 45.987345. Grits you rip on people for posting rate my team because it can't help you and your team. Hypocrit!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I instituted the pay up front clause this year in the rules without bringing it to a vote. 13 of 14 paid on draft day. The last guy wasn't here and he paid within 3 days. First time ever it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteteacher2001 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Ours has been that if a team doesn't pay on draft day, they lose their 3rd and 5th round picks which can be made up at the end of the draft. IF you wanna be competetive, show up with your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 Ours has been that if a team doesn't pay on draft day, they lose their 3rd and 5th round picks which can be made up at the end of the draft. IF you wanna be competetive, show up with your money. Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 In my league you have to pay to draft. We actually have a waiting list of 5 or 6 guys and some of them show up at the draft each year just in case their is an opeing. So if you don't show up with the cash your gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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