Cunning Runt Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I'm as big a Peyton fan as anyone, but my brain tells me that Favre will be recognized by most intelligent football fans (that excludes ESPN analysts and Peter King) as the best ever for the following reasons... - He'll own most of the major passing records (TDs, yds, attempts, completions) by the time he retires (except for QB rating). And while Peyton might eventually break his yds and attempts records, he probably won't break his TD passes record. - His record 3 League MVPs will probably not be broken. - He was easily the best QB in the league for most of his prime. - He has the token "I played on a championship team" card in his pocket, which some mistakenly believe is necessary for this title. - His streak of games started is as impressive as Cal Ripken's. - He's still productive in his late 30's. - He doesn't play on a polarizing team, has a very human Joe Six-pack personality/lifestyle that most people can relate to and, most importantly, plays the game with a level of enthusiasm and emotion that is very endearing. He's easily the most "likable" person on the list. Opinions....... We all got 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Where do you figure in Bradshaw and Marino ? Marino, Bradshaw, Elway, Baugh, Van Brocklin, Favre, Stabler, Staubach are all kinda in a bunch with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 This just in: Brady also cheats... Brady the latest Patriot to break the rulesWednesday, Oct 17, 2007 10:20 am EDT When it comes to the NFL's uniform police, no one is above the law. The Boston Globe reported New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has been fined for not having his chin strap properly buckled. Reiss reports that Brady's agent, Don Yee, confirmed the fine but would not say how much Brady was fined or which game the violation occurred in. This isn't the first such fine for the Patriots this season; defensive lineman Ty Warren was fined $7,500 for not having his chin strap buckled in a Sept. 23 game against the Bills. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said teams were notified before the season and reminded multiple times that the league would be cracking down on unbuckled chin straps as an effort to prevent concussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Opinions....... We all got 'em. We all got something else too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Tom Brady isnt Joe Montana but hes damn close and rapidly approaching..I think though when all is said and done Manning will go down as the best qb in history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 If Brady plays the exact same amount of games as Favre does my gut tells me he will shatter all those records except interception record he holds. Farve has so many years being a pro of course he is going to break records because hes good and has the time invested into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllThingsBillBelichick Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Tom Brady has been the best QB for 3 years now. Everyone is just noticing it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Tom Brady has been the best QB for 3 years now. Everyone is just noticing it now! And which three would those be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 yes I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 And which three would those be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 He's good, but he's no Teddy Bruschi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfreak Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) Favre>Montana>Marino>Brady>Manning>Bradshaw>Staubach>Young>Elway>Unitas>Starr Edited October 18, 2007 by fballfreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grosse Pointe Gridder Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Don't forget these guys: Otto Graham Sonny Jurgensen Norm Van Brocklin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Favre is great. He has a lot of numbers, and I think he belongs in the discussion. His success also need to be looked at in terms of his failures, in particular the number of INTs he's thrown and probably more importantly his TD/INT ratio. That's where he gets hurt when looking at numbers. His td/int ratio is pretty good - 1.5:1. Broken down over a season, that's about 24 tds, 16 ints. Marino was 1.66:1. Elway was 1.32:1. Aikman was 1.15:1. Manning, Young, and Montana are all an insane 2+:1. Edited October 19, 2007 by Chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 the Dolphins did not have the same opportunity to surround Marino with talent that the Colts had with Manning in the age of Salary Cap and Free Agency. List me the Colts' big stud artichoke free agency signings in the time of Manning. Maybe I'm missing somebody, but Polian built them through the draft. The Niners had no problem maintaining excellence pre-FA, nor did the Raiders or Cowboys. The reason the Dolphins couldn't rebuild with Marino there was because whoever was picking their players sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushey Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 STEVE YOUNG should be in the discussion as well. He did not have the benefit of playing all of his prime. Didn't become the a starter until 1991. He was out of the league by 1999 after than crushing hit against the Cardinals. His numbers were amazing. The most impressive thing about Young was that he was the most difficult to game plan against. What a nightmare for defenses. In 1998 he threw for 4170 yards for 36 tds-12 ints and 454 yards rushing for another 6 tds. He may not be in the discussion because he wasn't the typical drop back QB. He was the most complete do it all QB that ever played the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF409ers Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 STEVE YOUNG should be in the discussion as well. He did not have the benefit of playing all of his prime. Didn't become the a starter until 1991. He was out of the league by 1999 after than crushing hit against the Cardinals. His numbers were amazing. The most impressive thing about Young was that he was the most difficult to game plan against. What a nightmare for defenses. In 1998 he threw for 4170 yards for 36 tds-12 ints and 454 yards rushing for another 6 tds. He may not be in the discussion because he wasn't the typical drop back QB. He was the most complete do it all QB that ever played the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Do you rate him above or below Montana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF409ers Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Do you rate him above or below Montana? That is actually a great question and of much debate amongst SF fans, at least that I know of. I am a 3rd Generation SF fan and my father / uncle and grandfather, etc would all say Montana was without question better than Young, I have always contended that Young may have been a better QB than Montana at least in terms of athletic ability. Joe did have some kind of "X" factor though that allowed him to not only have legendary field awarness but also an ability to truly will a team to victory. I guess I would say they are both great QB's but IMO totally different players, I would have to rate Montana above Young for the simple fact that he came first and I think Young was even better since he played under Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 That is actually a great question and of much debate amongst SF fans, at least that I know of. I am a 3rd Generation SF fan and my father / uncle and grandfather, etc would all say Montana was without question better than Young, I have always contended that Young may have been a better QB than Montana at least in terms of athletic ability. Joe did have some kind of "X" factor though that allowed him to not only have legendary field awarness but also an ability to truly will a team to victory. I guess I would say they are both great QB's but IMO totally different players, I would have to rate Montana above Young for the simple fact that he came first and I think Young was even better since he played under Montana. joe was part of the wco experiment walsh learned in cin. joe made things happen with less talent (at beginning and end of his career). young benefited from joe's tutaledge and being able to watch for quite a few years. young inhereted the 9er machine at it's peak, with the most talent...... young, even on top of his game made a lot of mistakes joe didn't (i specifically think about the rivalry in the early 90's with the boys). young need those defensive merenaries to finally get past them. while i still have a tremendous amount of respect for young and how he developed... i would still place him somewhere between 7 and 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllThingsBillBelichick Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Who would you rate higher? Brady or Aikman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) Who would you rate higher? Brady or Aikman? Brady. He won with less talent around him on offense, even in the parity error of pro football. This pats team is the only one that could compete with any of those Dallas teams. BTW, you should adjust your sigline. Belicheat is hardly the greatest to ever coach the game. That comment alone destroys your credability. If Belicheat was the best, he wouldnt have had to cheat for years to win, and he would have won in Cleveland. Belicheat got something very very few NFL teams have. A franchise QB, that can carry a team. IF the Pats scouting department didnt take a chance on a kid for Michigan, in the 6th round of that draft, the record books would look completely different. Edited October 21, 2007 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF409ers Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) Brady. He won with less talent around him on offense, even in the parity error of pro football. This pats team is the only one that could compete with any of those Dallas teams. BTW, you should adjust your sigline. Belicheat is hardly the greatest to ever coach the game. That comment alone destroys your credability. If Belicheat was the best, he wouldnt have had to cheat for years to win, and he would have won in Cleveland. Belicheat got something very very few NFL teams have. A franchise QB, that can carry a team. IF the Pats scouting department didnt take a chance on a kid for Michigan, in the 6th round of that draft, the record books would look completely different. He didn't win anything, his kicker did And when it is all said and done Brady won't even be mentioned in the top 10 greatest QB's of all time, maybe he makes top 15, and it is not Brady that carries that team it is that rotten Belichick and the deal he signed with the devil Edited October 21, 2007 by SF409ers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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