AtomicCEO Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 We lose each other when you see no acceptable circumstance where this should be an option and I do. Thats not true. I just named a circumstance when it would be applicable. I just don't think it should be legally allowed as a rule. Murder is illegal... yet you can kill someone who breaks into your house and threatens you family. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I can't even get them to define torture. Marky Mark = Waterboarding = red ink fake menstrual blood = sandpaper and Scope The thread is about waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture. Torture is bad. Fake menstrual blood, dog collars, and forced nudity are just bad taste. When people do it for fun and take pictures of it, I'm against that too. It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I can't even get them to define torture. Marky Mark = Waterboarding = red ink fake menstrual blood = sandpaper and Scope It is apparently about intent. You can't be mean to someone even if they wish to vaporize 1 million people otherwise you are the same as them. And I can't get you to answer one simple question. I guess we'll call it a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 And I can't get you to answer one simple question. I guess we'll call it a push. What was the question? The one about them torturing our troops being evil? I do not believe torture is evil. I believe some types of torture MIGHT BE evil but not all types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 What was the question? The one about them torturing our troops being evil? I do not believe torture is evil. I believe some types of torture MIGHT BE evil but not all types. I would like things to be black and white, but I know they're not. However, here you and I disagree. I feel that torture is evil and if there is any humanity in the individual, he loses part of it when he initiates torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I would like things to be black and white, but I know they're not. However, here you and I disagree. I feel that torture is evil and if there is any humanity in the individual, he loses part of it when he initiates torture. Just for clarification, if Hillary captures Osama Bin Laden and plays Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch to him we have become the same as those who fly jet liners into buildings. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Just for clarification, if Hillary captures Osama Bin Laden and plays Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch to him we have become the same as those who fly jet liners into buildings. Is this true? I thought this thread was about waterboarding, which we prosecuted Jpanese officers for doing it to our soldiers during WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I thought this thread was about waterboarding, which we prosecuted Jpanese officers for doing it to our soldiers during WW2. The title says torture, not waterboarding. Now run along before I chase you with red ink and cause you lifelong trauma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Just for clarification, if Hillary captures Osama Bin Laden and plays Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch to him we have become the same as those who fly jet liners into buildings. Is this true? Your hyperbolic example does not really add to the discussion, but I'll answer anyway. Simple answer = no. While I don't enjoy Marky Mark, I don't think I'd consider that torture either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Your hyperbolic example does not really add to the discussion, but I'll answer anyway. Simple answer = no. While I don't enjoy Marky Mark, I don't think I'd consider that torture either. You are apparently unaware that Mary Mark, Christina Genie, and various other types of music were played for terrorists at Gitmo. People were up in arms over the tragedy several years back. Surely you remember the red ink episode Andre Giroude prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 You are apparently unaware that Mary Mark, Christina Genie, and various other types of music were played for terrorists at Gitmo. People were up in arms over the tragedy several years back. Surely you remember the red ink episode Andre Giroude prison? But you see, just because many people are up in arms about certain things, does not mean I have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Surely you remember the red ink episode Andre Giroude prison? I am unaware of this incident and google is not helping me. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Thats not true. I just named a circumstance when it would be applicable. I just don't think it should be legally allowed as a rule. Murder is illegal... yet you can kill someone who breaks into your house and threatens you family. See the difference? So what bothers you more the fact that Bush will publicly veto this or the act itself if only used in specific situations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I am unaware of this incident and google is not helping me. Link? I found a neat new website called Google. I used it to find this. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/28/...ain691602.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 "She started to unbutton her pants and reached and put her hands in her pants and then started to circle around the detainee. And when she had her hands in her pants, apparently she used something to put what appeared to be menstrual blood on her hand, but in fact was ink," says Saar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 "She started to unbutton her pants and reached and put her hands in her pants and then started to circle around the detainee. And when she had her hands in her pants, apparently she used something to put what appeared to be menstrual blood on her hand, but in fact was ink," says Saar. :divingboard: Well, up to the part about the ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So what bothers you more the fact that Bush will publicly veto this or the act itself if only used in specific situations ? Publicly saying "Torture is ok!" is just retarded. I'm not a fan of using waterboarding either, but if there was a bomb about to go off, I could see it being used without much outrage. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the rules and punishable if abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 "She started to unbutton her pants and reached and put her hands in her pants and then started to circle around the detainee. And when she had her hands in her pants, apparently she used something to put what appeared to be menstrual blood on her hand, but in fact was ink," says Saar. I realize it's 60 minutes and all, but don't they say these techniques are not successful. What's the point of using them, torture or not, if they're not successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I found a neat new website called Google. I used it to find this. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/28/...ain691602.shtml And do me a favor--google "Andre Giroude prison" and let me know what you come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 What's the point of using them, torture or not, if they're not successful? If the Iraq War taught me anything... it's that doing something, no matter how stupid or ineffective, is better than doing nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 But you see, just because many people are up in arms about certain things, does not mean I have to agree. u sir are no patriot then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 And do me a favor--google "Andre Giroude prison" and let me know what you come up with. seems like a very informative page http://www.obecprekladatelu.cz/ZZPREKLADY/...ancouzstina.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Man , the difference in some of the opinions seems to be growing farther apart then closer together I will sum this up personally : Agreeing and siding with opinions of atomic and untateve Understand polk's position a bit more but still not anywhere near agreement Amazingly enough I am not agreeing much with whomp in this thread Waterman annoyed me a lot And I waffled a bit but am against torture which is evil in nature Carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 QUOTE(isleseeya @ 3/11/08 1:09am) * Man , the difference in some of the opinions seems to be growing farther apart then closer together I will sum this up personally : Agreeing and siding with opinions of atomic and untateve Understand polk's position a bit more but still not anywhere near agreement Amazingly enough I am not agreeing much with whomp in this thread laughing.gif Waterman annoyed me a lot And I waffled a bit but am against torture which is evil in nature Carry on For further clarification I think on the whole torture is a good thing. This world has bad people in it and sometimes you have to get their attention and scare them. To stand up to them with the strength of a fresh twinkie cake does not benefit any of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Understand polk ...but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind I don't believe because the world has evil in it , it allows us ot excuses us to be evil as well Personally as a christian that not how it works for me I will say its a much harder topic than I initially realized I will also say I do not like and never liked twinkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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