BeeR Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I'm sick of starting players who it makes total sense to start and watching some bench schlep go off (etc and so on). If you play all your players every week there's less luck involved. Y/N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heehawks Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 The process of deciding on who to start or not start is the one thing an owner of a ffb team can actually control. Its the one part that makes it challenging and gives out the most reward and most heart breaking moments. Choosing a lineup is the essence of ffb and creates legendary stories to tell years down the road. Starting the whole team takes all the fun out of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I think it's safe to say this year has been especially tough for lineup decisions. Still, I think the 3 places where the better manager gains an advantage over the field are: 1. Draft day 2. Lineup decisions 3. Free agent/waiver moves Trades are also important, but not as frequent as these 3. So, in answer to the OP I'd say no. Start All leagues wouldn't be as fun for me, even though lineup decisions often seem like a giant roulette wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Sounds like a Survivor league format except in those leagues, they take the highest scorer at each position. No WW moves, no trades, no nothing. I played in 1 this year and got bored rather quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 That sounds awful. Draft and then what? Cruise control the rest of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 29, 2008 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 I disagree on all counts: The process of deciding on who to start or not start is the one thing an owner of a ffb team can actually control. No, you also control who you draft (more so with auction drafts) and at least to some extent who you do or don't get FA-wise. Its the one part that makes it challenging and gives out the most reward and most heart breaking moments.Assembling a talented team is challenging too, and there's IMO just too much luck involved week to week with picking starters. Choosing a lineup is the essence of ffbNo, assembling a talented team is. Starting the whole team takes all the fun out of the game. nope - it takes the "I can't believe Player X laid an egg" out of the game. It focuses more on a player's overall production throughout that season and doesn't "zap" you so much for a bad week. I like that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major-tom Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Assembling a talented team is challenging too, and there's IMO just too much luck involved week to week with picking starters. I've picked the wrong starters many times this year in my leagues and seen my opponents do the same and while there is some luck involved I can't imagine being in a league where you started your whole roster. Picking your lineup every week does take some time, skill, and a bit of research can give you an edge over your opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 That sounds awful. Draft and then what? Cruise control the rest of the year? Exactly. Pretty boring huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I am in a 4 leauges like that where you draft and then your done for the season. I like the best ball format but I hate the no waiver moves because injuries can knock off an entire position. I would like a league that has a mix of the 2 best ball format plus waiver moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I am in a 4 leauges like that where you draft and then your done for the season. I like the best ball format but I hate the no waiver moves because injuries can knock off an entire position. I would like a league that has a mix of the 2 best ball format plus waiver moves. I'd be down for a league like that. Something to think about for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOfKnee Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Started a league a few years ago, 10 teams, 22 picks, start 2 qb / 4 rb / 4 wr / 2 te/ 2k / 2d - 18 starters. Very difficult, very WW active, and very fun. Highly reccommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dino88 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) "watching some bench schlep go off" then why is he on your team at all. you should only have players on your team that you think will contribute, that is whole idea. Edited November 29, 2008 by dino88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Row Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Started a league a few years ago, 10 teams, 22 picks, start 2 qb / 4 rb / 4 wr / 2 te/ 2k / 2d - 18 starters. Very difficult, very WW active, and very fun. Highly reccommend. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 30, 2008 Author Share Posted November 30, 2008 "watching some bench schlep go off" then why is he on your team at all. you should only have players on your team that you think will contribute, that is whole idea. yeah, then all you have to do is guess (and it's largely that, a guess) which week he will "contribute." Even in smaller leagues, there are a lot of so-so players who stink one week, go off another week, stink the next, etc. There are also "stud" players who can occasionally disappear. Starting the whole team would mitigate that a lot. PS not suggesting a league where there are no FAs at all. Just either start all players or maybe best ball. That kind of setup emphasizes acquiring the best talent, but is less subject to those unusual or unexpected big variances from the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 the Survivor League I joined is exactly like this. MFL submits your highest scoring players to round out your starting lineup. You draft and forget. No moves allowed. Lowest scoring team is eliminated each week. First year in this format and I find myself watching this league more closely than the ones I submit my lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 I'm in a "set it and forget it" survivor league. After the draft my only involvement in the league is to check scores on Tuesday to see if my team scored enough points to survive another week. Even allowing for free agency it would still be a very low maintenance league where all you do is draft and work the waiver wire. Sounds like a dumbed down flavor to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 I'm in a "set it and forget it" survivor league. After the draft my only involvement in the league is to check scores on Tuesday to see if my team scored enough points to survive another week. Even allowing for free agency it would still be a very low maintenance league where all you do is draft and work the waiver wire. Sounds like a dumbed down flavor to me. if it's too dumbed down for you, why do you pay to play? Just curious as like I said, it's my first year in this format and I find it refreshing...how long have you been in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 if it's too dumbed down for you, why do you pay to play? Just curious as like I said, it's my first year in this format and I find it refreshing...how long have you been in it? I joined a survivor type set it and forget it league this year for the first time. Largely because I find the draft to be very enjoyable and my time during the season to be very limited. I simply do not have the time to manage the teams I have throughout the season let alone any more. So yes the season is "dumbed down" but that doesn't make these leagues worthless. The draft is VERY different when you know you won't be making ANY roster moves. Furthermore it was my first foray into a league of more than 12 teams. It would not seem to me as if I were truely participating in fantasy football during the season if the only league I was in was a set it and forget it league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 cool. How many are in your survivor and how many rounds? We have 17 teams with 18 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 cool. How many are in your survivor and how many rounds? We have 17 teams with 18 rounds. 18 teams (1 eliminated each week of NFL season = 1 team undefeated) Roster size is 10. The best 7 each week are deemed to be your starters with the requirement that 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 PK and any combination of 3 RB/WR (no TEs so TE=WR) be started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 cool. How many are in your survivor and how many rounds? We have 17 teams with 18 rounds. The very first online survivor league, in it's 9th year - HEFFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 The very first online survivor league, in it's 9th year - HEFFA. are you sure it's the very first? kinda hard to document...but cool if it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 (edited) Interesting idea. It would take a bit of the fluke factor out of the equation, or at least even it out a little bit. That said, I'm ultimately against the idea because I just think it takes too much power away from the owners. As fruitless as picking a lineup usually is, the research that goes into it is a large portion of the fun of playing fantasy sports. Without having to set lineups, there just isn't enough left to do to make the league hold my attention. Edited November 30, 2008 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 are you sure it's the very first? kinda hard to document...but cool if it is The HEFFA league messageboard has "documentation" going back to before the 2000 season. There are threads on us hammering out the rules and the concept of the idea. Not sure if the Huddle has anything archived before that as it was initiated on the main board before we got our own league board set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 This has the makings of a BoTH league. I'm in if there is interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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