CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/04/sovereign-citizens/ Indiana’s ‘sovereign citizens’ renounce their U.S. citizenship, claim to secede from the Union. Indiana RTV6 reports that “an increasing number of Indiana residents” are taking radical right-wing “tenther” beliefs to their logical extreme, declaring themselves “sovereign citizens” exempt from federal law and from paying taxes. These individuals claim their homes are embassies and have started “using identification cards that show them as diplomats.” The state reports that about 10 people a month have been asking for an official seal which supposedly exempts them from paying taxes. Some “sovereign citizens” have even refused to use drivers licenses or plates. When challenged by police, they show a homemade ID and claim that “no one can delay, detain or arrest them without facing damages of $2 million”: There are plenty of American flags draped on homes along U.S. 36, a road that leads to the home of Donald Moore, who claims to be a diplomatic agent and ambassador — a mark of a so-called sovereign citizen. Moore, a father of seven, and his wife invited 6News to their home, but decided not to appear on camera. Moore is equipped with an official looking identification card and a badge, which he said means United States law doesn’t apply to him. “It gives me diplomatic immunity,” Moore said, referring to the ID card. “The way I understand it, the federal government is incorporated, and all the states are incorporated. This takes me out of the corporation.” Not surprisingly, state officials call these claims “both illegitimate and illegal.” “Just because you allege something or concoct yourself a document doesn’t mean you’re getting off the hook,” said Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita. Indeed, “sovereign citizen” Jonathan Dilley is serving a nearly 4-year sentence in federal prison after he tried to pay off more than $800,000 of debt by making his own currency. Similar groups of “sovereign citizens” have been reported in several other states as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 They sound like goofballs to me. I'm busy trying to figure out whether I'm going to be Amish or a Christian Scientist if Obamacare gets passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 the left has some really meaningful and significant things to get worked up about these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 They sound like goofballs to me. I'm busy trying to figure out whether I'm going to be Amish or a Christian Scientist if Obamacare gets passed. We could always go full Injun (feathers not dot). I'll be Chief Masturbatalot. Ahh yes, the old scams to get out of paying taxes...until the tax collector comes along and locks you up for 3-5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Pretty sure I saw this in a Family Guy episode. Viva Petoria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I say let them do it and then post armed border guards with orders to shoot to kill if any of these foreigners attempt to come onto US soil. Also, I would ban all trade with these "nations". That would be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I say let them do it and then post armed border guards with orders to shoot to kill if any of these foreigners attempt to come onto US soil. Also, I would ban all trade with these "nations". That would be fun. Or we could just invade them, steal their property and women-folk, then let them build casinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I say let them do it and then post armed border guards with orders to shoot to kill if any of these foreigners attempt to come onto US soil. Also, I would ban all trade with these "nations". That would be fun. The first time that the Borman Expressway won't be congested or under construction? Song for this occasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Waiting for "Perchtopia" to begin any day now . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 We could always go full Injun (feathers not dot). I'll be Chief Masturbatalot. Ahh yes, the old scams to get out of paying taxes...until the tax collector comes along and locks you up for 3-5 years. Ding ding ding! Unless you're willing to fight to the death over these taxes/regs/whatever, this is less than useless. Hell, even I'm not that far out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 I say let them do it and then post armed border guards with orders to shoot to kill if any of these foreigners attempt to come onto US soil. Also, I would ban all trade with these "nations". That would be fun. I'd start with cutting off all utilities to their embassies. Let their garbage and sewage pile up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 That is just stupid. Now I can states trying to leave the union if government continues to grow, but that is still a generation away and assuming government takes over health care and passes an asinine cap and trade policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 "Jonathan Dilley is serving a nearly 4-year sentence in federal prison after he tried to pay off more than $800,000 of debt by making his own currency." Well that's just not fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 "Jonathan Dilley is serving a nearly 4-year sentence in federal prison after he tried to pay off more than $800,000 of debt by making his own currency." Well that's just not fair... Didn't that happen on The Flintstones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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