tbimm Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Word now is that it WILL be August before they can stop this thing. I doubt our coast will ever be the same in our lifetimes. They are trying the next option that will take at least 4 days to complete but really, if they thought this one was any better than all the rest they would have tried it first. As I said earlier in one of these threads... The oil spill will accomplish what Katrina could not by completely ruining our wetlands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Word now is that it WILL be August before they can stop this thing. I doubt our coast will ever be the same in our lifetimes. They are trying the next option that will take at least 4 days to complete but really, if they thought this one was any better than all the rest they would have tried it first. As I said earlier in one of these threads... The oil spill will accomplish what Katrina could not by completely ruining our wetlands! Yeah,Katrina just swept all of your gangsters to Atlanta and Houston. Please tell me there won't be any more heading over here after this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 If anything, the govt. failed to have proper regulations in place forcing oil companies to have a mitigation plan and appropriate technologies developed and ready to utilize for a disaster such as this. Other than that, there is only so much the govt. can do in reaction to a manmade caused disaster by a private enterprise. the only thing the government can do in reaction to a state of emergency is to enact more regulatiion going forward, huh? man....we just have very different ideas about what government should and should not be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 the only thing the government can do in reaction to a state of emergency is to enact more regulatiion going forward, huh? man....we just have very different ideas about what government should and should not be doing. One day, Bushwacked and the rest of us will be taxed at 100% of everything we own and then the world will be perfect. It'll be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 the only thing the government can do in reaction to a state of emergency is to enact more regulatiion going forward, huh? man....we just have very different ideas about what government should and should not be doing. The govt’s effectiveness is now minimized to reactive stop gap assistance to BP and the citizens. It’s most effective potential role would have been enforcing proactive and sensible measures beforehand; forcing oil companies to have solutions in place to effectively address catastrophes like this to the extent practicable. If you think federal emergency procedures beforehand were too over-reaching or have proven to be effective in this instance; then yes, we have very different perspectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 It’s most effective potential role would have been enforcing proactive and sensible measures beforehand; forcing oil companies to have solutions in place to effectively address catastrophes like this to the extent practicable. If you think federal emergency procedures beforehand were too over-reaching or have proven to be effective in this instance; then yes, we have very different perspectives. didn't this rig just get some sort of award from safety regulators? I take it, this sort of accident has never happened before. not just at BP, but anywhere. I haven't been watching those hearings like some, so I don't know to what extent any of this was foreseeable or preventable, but when all of this is said and done, I'm sure everyone involved can look back and learn some lessons going forward. BP's liability from this is going to be massive. I would venture to say that there is no way they, or anyone else, is going to ever let it happen to them again, whatever the government does or doesn't do. as far as what the government could do but isn't? I dunno, why don't you just ask....well, anyone in louisiana, I am sure they will have a james-carville-earful for you. like maybe they could allow the local authorities to build those barrier islands, rather than hold them up in red tape pending an EPA "environmental impact study" -- one of the more painfully, ironically stupid instances of government idiocy and inaction I can remember. and it seems to me, rather than just let BP try one duct tape solution after another, it might make sense to take control in some sense, bring the heads of some other oil and underwater drilling companies in and explain that, look, if this doesn't get fixed it is bad news for ALL of you. let's hear some ideas. I don't know the answer, but I do know that just sitting back, saying hey the government can't do anything about this....except to GROW bigger in all the directions I was advocating BEFORE this spill...well that all just sounds like political opportunism. it certainly DOESN'T sound like leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Here's an idea, we can send an army of lawyers instead of the Army Corpse of Engineers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) #15 :chuckle: Edited June 1, 2010 by Jimmy Neutron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 #15 :chuckle: Not on this topic but the first one is pretty damn funny too, and equally as sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Not on this topic but the first one is pretty damn funny too, and equally as sad. Yeah - number two is accurate too - for the last dozen administrations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Once it comes out of freefall mode, I think I'm going to have to go long on some BP stock. Currently trading at a P/E around 6 and an 8% yield. Sick value play once this quiets down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) didn't this rig just get some sort of award from safety regulators? I take it, this sort of accident has never happened before. not just at BP, but anywhere. I haven't been watching those hearings like some, so I don't know to what extent any of this was foreseeable or preventable, but when all of this is said and done, I'm sure everyone involved can look back and learn some lessons going forward. BP's liability from this is going to be massive. I would venture to say that there is no way they, or anyone else, is going to ever let it happen to them again, whatever the government does or doesn't do. as far as what the government could do but isn't? I dunno, why don't you just ask....well, anyone in louisiana, I am sure they will have a james-carville-earful for you. like maybe they could allow the local authorities to build those barrier islands, rather than hold them up in red tape pending an EPA "environmental impact study" -- one of the more painfully, ironically stupid instances of government idiocy and inaction I can remember. and it seems to me, rather than just let BP try one duct tape solution after another, it might make sense to take control in some sense, bring the heads of some other oil and underwater drilling companies in and explain that, look, if this doesn't get fixed it is bad news for ALL of you. let's hear some ideas. I don't know the answer, but I do know that just sitting back, saying hey the government can't do anything about this....except to GROW bigger in all the directions I was advocating BEFORE this spill...well that all just sounds like political opportunism. it certainly DOESN'T sound like leadership. That rig has had numerous safety awards and has been praised in the industry as the crown jewel of deep water exploratory drilling. It held all of the records, including the worst disastor in US history. Obama has stabbed us in the heart now...the banning of the deep water drilling is going to do us in for a looooong time down here. We absolutely depend on Oil and it's harvesting in the Gulf. We don't need to stop it now. Here is why his ban though is going to crush us... "Companies operating in the Gulf deepwater were still evaluating the impact of the government decision on their drilling plans, but they are expected to start moving rigs, which are leased at rates of around $500,000 a day, out of the region to keep them gainfully employed, according to a report by energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie. Exxon said Thursday it has suspended drilling operations at the Hoover Diana well in the Gulf after the U.S. ordered a halt to current drilling in the area. It also delayed plans to drill a new exploration well at its Hadrian prospect. Marathon said it is in the process of temporarily abandoning the drilling of the Innsbruck well in the Gulf. " Moving rigs...meaning moving/losing THOUSANDS of jobs. Not only is our seafood and tourism industries crushed. Not only is our culture violated and being pissed on, again, but now the Oil industry is being forced to leave us because Obama's "big green" plan takes shape. Those rigs are 500G a day to lease...do you think they are going to sit and wait? I feel very strongly that we as a state have not been compensated for the risks that we have generously taken on while the nation reaps the benefits, or a quarter of our domestic oil. Do we get kick backs for it? Nope...do we get help in cleaning this up? We are on day 50ish. Funny how the Federal Government can halt the US oil industry in less than a day yet we can't get approval to build sand levees to stop oil from creaping back in through the west side of the Mississippi River aka: Plaquemine's Parish. I agree Az, it is a disgusting taste of beuracracy and just outright plain ol' BULLCHIT. Gov. Jindal and Parish Pres. Nungesser need to be patriots, F the Corpse of Engineers stand up and do it!. We'll name these sand islands "Nungesser Island" after him. I don't get it, not at all...all of the major players in Oil exploration need to get involved and cap this thing, and all need to pitch in and clean our gulf and BE FOKIN HONEST!!! All our responsible in my opinion because of the lax standards and the perversion of the Mineral Mangement Agency that have been pampered until they have blind eyes. There should have been a better protocal in how to respond to this. I don't trust BP as far as I can spit. They can all go to jail, imo. Even Coast Guard Commander, Thad Allen...is a joke. No plan... God help the coast Edited June 2, 2010 by SuperBalla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Live feed Everyday I keep this minimized, and every now and then I'll maximize it hoping to see, no oil. I keep hoping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) Let's recap the jokes... 1) 911 Call..."Giving you a head's up Mr. State Police, we've made a boo boo, doesn't look like there will be oil, coast impact" Meanwhile the crown jewel rig is burning out of control and 11 men are missing. 2) Looks like maybe 5,000 barrels are leaking into the gulf daily...more like 19,000. 3) Obama shows up and BP stages 300-400 people to look busy. 4) BP says there aren't any underwater plumes, not to mention the 6 mile wide, 1,000' deep underwater plume floating aimlessly in the gulf caused by disperspirants. 5) Obama ends all deep water drilling in the Gulf. I am skipping a bunch of chit, which I'd like to clean up tomorrow. The whole thing is sickening and a shame... Edited June 2, 2010 by SuperBalla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) didn't this rig just get some sort of award from safety regulators? I take it, this sort of accident has never happened before. not just at BP, but anywhere. I haven't been watching those hearings like some, so I don't know to what extent any of this was foreseeable or preventable, but when all of this is said and done, I'm sure everyone involved can look back and learn some lessons going forward. BP's liability from this is going to be massive. I would venture to say that there is no way they, or anyone else, is going to ever let it happen to them again, whatever the government does or doesn't do. as far as what the government could do but isn't? I dunno, why don't you just ask....well, anyone in louisiana, I am sure they will have a james-carville-earful for you. like maybe they could allow the local authorities to build those barrier islands, rather than hold them up in red tape pending an EPA "environmental impact study" -- one of the more painfully, ironically stupid instances of government idiocy and inaction I can remember. and it seems to me, rather than just let BP try one duct tape solution after another, it might make sense to take control in some sense, bring the heads of some other oil and underwater drilling companies in and explain that, look, if this doesn't get fixed it is bad news for ALL of you. let's hear some ideas. I don't know the answer, but I do know that just sitting back, saying hey the government can't do anything about this....except to GROW bigger in all the directions I was advocating BEFORE this spill...well that all just sounds like political opportunism. it certainly DOESN'T sound like leadership. Cute little rant, but I think that oil companies should be required to have better mitigation plans when a riser busts miles below the ocean crust extracting oil. You don't. Let's just leave it at that. Edited June 2, 2010 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Once it comes out of freefall mode, I think I'm going to have to go long on some BP stock. Currently trading at a P/E around 6 and an 8% yield. Sick value play once this quiets down. I was actually thinking the same thing. I do not personally manage most most of my investments, but I do hold back a little bit of money that I invest myself to get my gambling fix. I think this might be a gamble I'd be willing to take pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Let's recap the jokes... 1) 911 Call..."Giving you a head's up Mr. State Police, we've made a boo boo, doesn't look like there will be oil, coast impact" Meanwhile the crown jewel rig is burning out of control and 11 men are missing. 2) Looks like maybe 5,000 barrels are leaking into the gulf daily...more like 19,000. 3) Obama shows up and BP stages 300-400 people to look busy. 4) BP says there aren't any underwater plumes, not to mention the 6 mile wide, 1,000' deep underwater plume floating aimlessly in the gulf caused by disperspirants. 5) Obama ends all deep water drilling in the Gulf. I am skipping a bunch of chit, which I'd like to clean up tomorrow. The whole thing is sickening and a shame... You forgot one. BP hires Anne Womack-Kolton to be their new spokesperson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 You forgot one. BP hires Anne Womack-Kolton to be their new spokesperson. When a company begins to hire former politicos, you know that trouble is a brewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 10 biggest oil spills in history I guess if you're looking for little things to be somewhat hopeful about, there's this: The largest oil spill the world has seen exacted little permanent damage on coral ecosystems and local fisheries, according to a report by the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission at Unesco. The study concluded that about half the oil evaporated, one-eighth of it was recovered and another quarter washed ashore, mostly in Saudi Arabia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 FAIL!!!! After every effort to contain the undersea oil gusher in the Gulf of Mexico failed or fell short, BP devised a new strategy Thursday to cap the ruptured well, though the new plug will not be as tight as previously hoped. The oil giant said it would try again to slice off a damaged riser pipe and then place a containment dome over the well. But after an attempt to sever the pipe with a diamond-embedded saw failed Wednesday, the company will have to use shears that will not be able to make as precise a cut. Even if the attempt is successful, then the cap will not be as snug and oil will still be flowing out into the Gulf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 FAIL!!!! After every effort to contain the undersea oil gusher in the Gulf of Mexico failed or fell short, BP devised a new strategy Thursday to cap the ruptured well, though the new plug will not be as tight as previously hoped. The oil giant said it would try again to slice off a damaged riser pipe and then place a containment dome over the well. But after an attempt to sever the pipe with a diamond-embedded saw failed Wednesday, the company will have to use shears that will not be able to make as precise a cut. Even if the attempt is successful, then the cap will not be as snug and oil will still be flowing out into the Gulf. We are f**ked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Nuke it! It was September of 1966, and gas was gushing uncontrollably from the wells in the Bukhara province of the Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic. But the Reds, at the height of their industrial might, had a novel solution. They drilled nearly four miles into the sand and rock of the Kyzyl Kum Desert, and lowered a 30-kiloton nuclear warhead — more than half-again as large as “Little Boy,” the crude uranium bomb dropped over Hiroshima — to the depths beneath the wellhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Well the shears worked to cut it, not to try to cap it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) It was September of 1966 I do remember a large rumble in September of 1966. Won't the rising sea levels clean the affected beaches anyway? Edited June 3, 2010 by TimC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I do remember a large rumble in September of 1966. As in water breaking, dousing the lit torch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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