driveby Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The Obama administration will seek a new federal law forcing Internet e-mail, instant-messaging, and other communication providers offering encryption to build in backdoors for law enforcement surveillance, The New York Times reported today. Where are all the bug-eyed, apoplectic privacy and civil liberty defenders now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The Obama administration will seek a new federal law forcing Internet e-mail, instant-messaging, and other communication providers offering encryption to build in backdoors for law enforcement surveillance, The New York Times reported today. Where are all the bug-eyed, apoplectic privacy and civil liberty defenders now? I'm here and I don't like this one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 More big goverment intrusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The Obama administration will seek a new federal law forcing Internet e-mail, instant-messaging, and other communication providers offering encryption to build in backdoors for law enforcement surveillance, The New York Times reported today. Where are all the bug-eyed, apoplectic privacy and civil liberty defenders now? I don't like it, but also believe if you ain't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about. The state is more than welcome to have a look at my fantasy trades, concert plans and Ebay purchases, if it also means they can monitor plans for the next 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 its called the party of hypocrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I don't like it, but also believe if you ain't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about. The state is more than welcome to have a look at my fantasy trades, concert plans and Ebay purchases, if it also means they can monitor plans for the next 9/11. I disagree....people can be falsely accused or worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The Obama administration will seek a new federal law forcing Internet e-mail, instant-messaging, and other communication providers offering encryption to build in backdoors for law enforcement surveillance, The New York Times reported today. Where are all the bug-eyed, apoplectic privacy and civil liberty defenders now? I don't like this at all. I suspect he will lose some more support on this type of thing. He is listening too much to his "Homeland Security" lackeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I'm here and I don't like this one bit. +1 The biggest crock of chit since the Bush admin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I don't like it, but also believe if you ain't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about. The state is more than welcome to have a look at my fantasy trades, concert plans and Ebay purchases, if it also means they can monitor plans for the next 9/11. +1 Let there be a camera on every street corner and on all points in-between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Throw this on the pyre with the Patriot Act... F'ing politicians, when is it gonna end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I don't like it, but also believe if you ain't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about. The state is more than welcome to have a look at my fantasy trades, concert plans and Ebay purchases, if it also means they can monitor plans for the next 9/11. Good God....: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted September 28, 2010 Author Share Posted September 28, 2010 I yield the floor and the balance of my time to my distinguished colleague Ursa....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Every line will be crossed if we allow it. The government just wants to "protect" you people. Who will protect us from our government? Anybody that defends this should just deport themselves to China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Good God....: Are you against wiretaps with probable cause? This is just an extension of that -- judges issue warrants every day, allowing the FBI to monitor all kinds of communications of suspected drug dealers, organized crime, etc. This story is more about technology than about privacy. Valerie Caproni, the FBI's general counsel, stressed to the Times that agents would still need a court order to force providers to unlock encrypted data. "We're talking about lawfully authorized intercepts," Caproni said. "We're not talking expanding authority. We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 the sky is falling!!!! bad gvt!!!!!! ahhhhhhhh!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Are you against wiretaps with probable cause? This is just an extension of that -- judges issue warrants every day, allowing the FBI to monitor all kinds of communications of suspected drug dealers, organized crime, etc. This story is more about technology than about privacy. "Lawful intercept" systems built under current laws have already been abused for unlawful spying by governments and criminals. Trying to force technology developers to include back doors is a recipe for disaster for our already-fragile on-line security and privacy. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 "Lawful intercept" systems built under current laws have already been abused for unlawful spying by governments and criminals. Trying to force technology developers to include back doors is a recipe for disaster for our already-fragile on-line security and privacy. This. Just reads like a bunch of whackjob paranoia to me. I don't break the law so I don't worry about stuff like this. Things like the $13B national debt are a lot more troubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I yield the floor and the balance of my time to my distinguished colleague Ursa....................... Why, thank you, learned friend. I was thinking about this when I read it yesterday and it seemed to me that it should operate to the same standard as wiretaps, in other words, a court should warrant it. This has been the standard for decades (until warrantless wiretaps became the fashion). Why should Internet communications be held to be different than phone communications, always supposing the same privacy / court standards are held for both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Why, thank you, learned friend. [Homer] That's lernd, Pepe, lernd[Homer/] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Just reads like a bunch of whackjob paranoia to me. I don't break the law so I don't worry about stuff like this. Things like the $13B national debt are a lot more troubling. So breaking my computer will save us from the next cock bomber and shoe bomber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 So breaking my computer will save us from the next cock bomber and shoe bomber? Most definitely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Why, thank you, learned friend. I was thinking about this when I read it yesterday and it seemed to me that it should operate to the same standard as wiretaps, in other words, a court should warrant it. This has been the standard for decades (until warrantless wiretaps became the fashion). Why should Internet communications be held to be different than phone communications, always supposing the same privacy / court standards are held for both? We haven't agreed on much lately, but we agree on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 So breaking my computer will save us from the next cock bomber and shoe bomber? If the FBI observes you meeting with al qaeda operatives and buying large quantities of explosives and taking flight training courses and they go a judge to get a warrant to tap your phone and read your email, this allows them to defeat any encryption software you may be running. So, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted September 28, 2010 Author Share Posted September 28, 2010 If the FBI observes you meeting with al qaeda operatives and buying large quantities of explosives and taking flight training courses and they go a judge to get a warrant to tap your phone and read your email, this allows them to defeat any encryption software you may be running. So, yes. I'm thinking if they observe all that they won't need to tap your phone or read your email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I sitll can't believe no one thinks we shouldn't overthrow these people and start over. Both sides are so corrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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