tosberg34 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) You teatards sure have a lot of OWS envy. This coming from the guy who has posted anti-Tea Party articles and comments every 15 minutes since 2009? Who has got the envy? I think Flea Baggers like you do. Edited October 28, 2011 by tosberg34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 But it's okay to injure the police by throwing rocks at them and whatever else you can get your hands on? Listen, if you're going to be stupid enough to break the law, riot and throw crap at the police you better AT LEAST be smart enough to know that it might not end pretty for you. Please provide a link showing Oakland police who were injured or put in the hospital. I'm too brain dead to look. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Please provide a link showing Oakland police who were injured or put in the hospital. I'm too brain dead to look. TIA So you don't think hitting someone with rocks, glass bottles, etc... doesn't cause injury? I don't need to provide a link - just have one of your Flea Bagger friends throw a rock at your head and then report back to us whether you were injured or not. I'll be waiting ever so patiently for your next post. TIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 why is how much they have relative to people in Rwanda irrelevant, but how much they have relative to the wall street banker is supremely relevant? I am not sure I get the logic. I wasn't talking about people in Rwanda, I was talking specifically about the growth and unprecedented absolute heights in median income and living standards here, in the US, over the relevant time frame. what actually matters in the context of this argument is how much people have relative to what they themselves or people similarly stationed had over past periods. what they have relative to extremes of wealth or poverty is indeed a red herring -- so maybe you should stop throwing them out there. To answer your first paragraph, because relating an individual here to an individual in Rwanda has no logical meaning since they exist without any connectivity between them. Relating two people who must exist in the same socioeconomic system is relevant. The standard of living in the US is undeniably the highest in the world (though some of that is dependent on the measure used but let's pass on that now because it too is irrelevant, as is any comparison outside the US in this context). You still haven't acknowledged the existence of two post-war periods, which my graph makes very clear. You keep insisting that it's all one period, which it obviously isn't. By your own argument ("what actually matters in the context of this argument is how much people have relative to what they themselves or people similarly stationed had over past periods"), why would a return to higher levels of taxation for wealthy people be a bad thing? After all, what actually matters is their position relative to people similarly stationed in past periods, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 So you don't think hitting someone with rocks, glass bottles, etc... doesn't cause injury? I don't need to provide a link - just have one of your Flea Bagger friends throw a rock at your head and then report back to us whether you were injured or not. I'll be waiting ever so patiently for your next post. TIA. Maybe hitting a civilian will cause injury but not a cop in riot gear. Amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Maybe hitting a civilian will cause injury but not a cop in riot gear. Amirite? Boy, when you miss you miss BIG. Let me see if I can break it down for you: a) Why should the cops even have riot gear on? If the Flea Baggers were obeying the law this would all be unecessary. No one would be injured. So now you're defending throwing objects at the police with riot gear on because there is absolutely ZERO injury risk to the cops? c) Cops get injured ALL the time during riots, even with riot gear on. Are you that slow that you actually think throwing rocks, glass bottles or whatever DOESN'T cause injury? C'mon, man. You're not that saying that, are you? If you still can't understand it, maybe someone else on these forums can break it down in even simpler terms for you. I've gone as far as I can. Edited October 28, 2011 by tosberg34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Please excuse the lateness of my reply, as a member of the mortgage industry I have been otherwise occupied savaging the unsuspecting public, tying damsels in distress to railroad tracks, etc. Speaking as a long-time member of the economics profession, I concur with nothing that you have written. If you are a Keynesian don't bother to reply, your philosophy is collapsing.Once you've ceased sobbing into your pillow I recommend beginning anew with Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. Once you have gotten your mind right we shall proceed further. Well, you would, wouldn't you? Would you do me a favor and post any example you have of a lender being forced by any government agency to lend money to someone who could not pay it back? Thanks. Certainly! Here is an article from The Von Mises Institute which should clear things up a bit (note the date). Prepare yourself, it is based in fact and logic, something which most of us aren't ready to accept: http://mises.org/daily/2963 Once you've digested it, I will happily post some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Austrian defeats Socialism/Keynesian economics, news at 11: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201...ters_again.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Please excuse the lateness of my reply, as a member of the mortgage industry I have been otherwise occupied savaging the unsuspecting public, tying damsels in distress to railroad tracks, etc. If you are a Keynesian don't bother to reply, your philosophy is collapsing.Once you've ceased sobbing into your pillow I recommend beginning anew with Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. Once you have gotten your mind right we shall proceed further. Certainly! Here is an article from The Von Mises Institute which should clear things up a bit (note the date). Prepare yourself, it is based in fact and logic, something which most of us aren't ready to accept: http://mises.org/daily/2963 Once you've digested it, I will happily post some more Don't hold your breath. I've posted a few articles showing how governments interference in capitalism, not a failure in capitalism caused the housing bubble and subsequent recession, asking both wiegie and ursa to comment, and they have yet to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Don't hold your breath. I've posted a few articles showing how governments interference in capitalism, not a failure in capitalism caused the housing bubble and subsequent recession, asking both wiegie and ursa to comment, and they have yet to do so. Thanks for the heads up but I gathered that I had addressed those that will not listen. The illogical among us refuse to acknowledge reason, it is not in their nature; only the inevitable collapse will ring true with such as those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Certainly! Here is an article from The Von Mises Institute which should clear things up a bit (note the date). Prepare yourself, it is based in fact and logic, something which most of us aren't ready to accept: http://mises.org/daily/2963 Once you've digested it, I will happily post some more Read the whole thing not once but twice and I remain completely unconvinced. I also remain entirely without an example of a bank being forced to make a loan it didn't want to, despite the vague protestations to the contrary contained in your article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Don't hold your breath. I've posted a few articles showing how governments interference in capitalism, not a failure in capitalism caused the housing bubble and subsequent recession, asking both wiegie and ursa to comment, and they have yet to do so. We have both repeatedly replied to your constant attempts to blame the evil gubment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Read the whole thing not once but twice and I remain completely unconvinced. I also remain entirely without an example of a bank being forced to make a loan it didn't want to, despite the vague protestations to the contrary contained in your article. Fire two: http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=121835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I would be interested to hear how our current situation does not end in collapse. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Spare me the "eat the rich" arguments, I'd love to hear how the aforementioned aside you will continue our Keynesian "prosperity". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) Boy, when you miss you miss BIG. Let me see if I can break it down for you: a) Why should the cops even have riot gear on? If the Flea Baggers were obeying the law this would all be unecessary. No one would be injured. So now you're defending throwing objects at the police with riot gear on because there is absolutely ZERO injury risk to the cops? c) Cops get injured ALL the time during riots, even with riot gear on. Are you that slow that you actually think throwing rocks, glass bottles or whatever DOESN'T cause injury? C'mon, man. You're not that saying that, are you? If you still can't understand it, maybe someone else on these forums can break it down in even simpler terms for you. I've gone as far as I can. All I'm understanding from you is that you think a protest should end when the government's cops say so. And the tally so far is at least one unarmed protester has been injured while the police only have bruised egos. Edited October 29, 2011 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 All I'm understanding from you is that you think a protest should end when the government's cops say so. And the tally so far is at least one unarmed protester has been injured while the police only have bruised egos. Dude - you're amazing. Keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Guess who has realized today's GOP only appeals to right wing extremists? Pat Robertson, that's who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 Guess who has realized today's GOP only appeals to right wing extremists? Pat Robertson, that's who. Watch out. The Daily Show isn't allowed on this forum. Expect this to be deleted before kickoff. Too much truth is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Your talking about people who think the law of supply and demand is defined as you demand it, and the government supply it. I'm actually going to use that as an option in a multiple-choice question sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Fire two: http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=121835 that was even less convincing than your first link (and after having read the first link, I wouldn't have considered that possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Fire two: http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=121835 Good lord, that's a message board. It's about as valid as evidence as the Tailgate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Another woman raped at a misguided rally. Woman charged for pimping out a 16 y.o. girl at another misguided rally. Occupy Madison loses it's permit due to public masturbation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Another woman raped at a misguided rally. Woman charged for pimping out a 16 y.o. girl at another misguided rally. Occupy Madison loses it's permit due to public masturbation. Just remember: They represent the 99%. Maybe it 99% of all criminals? Yeah, that's the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Still no burning yet? Imagine if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson sat around in a drum circle smoking pot all day long complaining about being unemployed. Bah. It's time to start overthrowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 That is not the Madison I knew and loved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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