GMac Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I have Tony Romo and Rex Grossman as my two QBs. I offered a trade of Rex Grossman and Bernard Scott (He has Cedric Benson) for Mark Sanchez since Romo and Grossman have the same bye week and Sanchez has a good match up that week. The other player agreed to the trade, but only if I agree to trade Sanchez back to him for Grossman after week 5 and he gets to keep Scott. I only need Sanchez for the one week and Scott really holds no value to me, so that part is okay with me. The question is, is this ethically okay? Would this be some sort of cheating or collusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 trading back is collusion .....well, maybe not collusion but I always disallow it any league I have run.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Will you be tellling the rest of the league that you plan to do this? If not, then t is unethical, a form of collusion ( any secret agreement to gain a competitive advantage falls under this umbrella), and the guy wanting to trade back will have nothing documented to back up his claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Collusion. You're "renting" a player for a week. Besides, what if one of the players in the "trade back" gets injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 Will you be tellling the rest of the league that you plan to do this? If not, then t is unethical, a form of collusion ( any secret agreement to gain a competitive advantage falls under this umbrella), and the guy wanting to trade back will have nothing documented to back up his claim. Two other members of the league were present when the offer and the counteroffer were made, but neither was the guy I will be playing Week 5. As far as documentation, everyone in the league knows that if I agree to a deal I'll go through with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 Collusion. You're "renting" a player for a week. You guys are probably right, its better to just leave it alone. Besides, what if one of the players in the "trade back" gets injured? As long as he still wanted to do the trade if that's what I agreed to I would still do the trade even if Grossman was on IR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slambo Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Not cool, glad I'm not in your league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I LOL at these hreads... if you have to ask, you already know the answer. Don't look for that one idiot to tell you it's OK. You already know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Big John and I traded Chris Cooley to each other twice last year ... neither time did we ever pre-determine or discuss a trade back, it just happened that way. That part of it is not collusion. BUT, what if you make the trade and Benson is never suspended? Do you have to trade back? THIS is why I frown on pre-determined trades ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Big John and I traded Chris Cooley to each other twice last year ... neither time did we ever pre-determine or discuss a trade back, it just happened that way. That part of it is not collusion. BUT, what if you make the trade and Benson is never suspended? Do you have to trade back? THIS is why I frown on pre-determined trades ... Yep definately a reading compehension problem., dude you better get that checked out. FYI this has nothing to do with Benson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Yep definately a reading compehension problem., dude you better get that checked out. FYI this has nothing to do with Benson. no problem here nice guy, the issue is can you trade the same players back and forth, even make trades that take place in the future. And how does this NOT have anything to do with Benson's suspension? That is the only reason the trade is taking place. Now, go back to your wake and bake and try to be nice to people today, before one of us puts you in your place. Edited September 30, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 It IS ok to trade the same player back to the original owner. that happens from time to time. The part that is needed is a rule (like most leagues have) that is clearer on the issue, explaining "no rentals" , etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) no problem here nice guy, the issue is can you trade the same players back and forth, even make trades that take place in the future. And how does this NOT have anything to do with Benson's suspension? That is the only reason the trade is taking place. Now, go back to your wake and bake and try to be nice to people today, before one of us puts you in your place. No I think this has to do with Grossman and Romo having the same bye week and trading for Sanchez. and anytime you want to put me in my place come at it Edited September 30, 2011 by SLAYER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Two teams pooling a roster position? How could that not be anything but fair, honest, and of impeccable ethics? You two pillars of moral behavior ought to pool other positions too. I'm sure your leaguemates will think you are nothing less than brilliant and the ultimate paragons of virtue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'd vote for ya to be put on probation and lose 2012 picks unless it a free league and ya smoke pole anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 renting players definitely crosses the line. No can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) No I think this has to do with Grossman and Romo having the same bye week and trading for Sanchez. and anytime you want to put me in my place come at it the other guy is only doing it because he needs Benson's back up, B Scott. he can always add/drop a different QB but the other guy can only trade for Scott. There are 2 sides to this you know. And, as sweet as you are to me, I can only imagine that someone will beat me to it. Edited September 30, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 We have a rule in my old local that states no traded player can be traded back to his original owner within six weeks of the original trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Not just in FF but in life, ethical questions are unfortunately most raised by those with ill intent. In other words, the fact that you asked the question means you know its wrong. No vindication here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 while it isn't collution as collution is typically described, we had a small issue with this in the league that I am in and created a rule that a player cannot be traded back to a team he was traded from for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I have Tony Romo and Rex Grossman as my two QBs. I offered a trade of Rex Grossman and Bernard Scott (He has Cedric Benson) for Mark Sanchez since Romo and Grossman have the same bye week and Sanchez has a good match up that week. The other player agreed to the trade, but only if I agree to trade Sanchez back to him for Grossman after week 5 and he gets to keep Scott. I only need Sanchez for the one week and Scott really holds no value to me, so that part is okay with me. The question is, is this ethically okay? Would this be some sort of cheating or collusion? Absolutely legal AND ethical if your league allows it. Most don't for the very reasons you ask about, but so long as there is nothing prohibiting it. No harm, no foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Why not check waiver wire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 trading back is collusion .....well, maybe not collusion but I always disallow it any league I have run.... It's the very definition of collusion...! NO, this trade sucks from an ethical standpoint. I think that fact that you had to ask others tells you that you knew it wasn't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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