Vet Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 no argument with you here....the question is whether Suggs upside is big enough to mitigate his downside, which IMO Suggs downside is much bigger than Tiki's. Boils down to risk management. Proven performer with limited upside and limited downside OR unproven RB with big upside and big downside. 355008[/snapback] My sentiments, exactly. Too early to be rolling the dice..secure the 2nd RB spot now, go to the casino later in the draft. I'd rather secure the RB2 spot now with Tiki, then take a chance later in the draft on McGahee, Stephen Jackson, or Julius Jones. One or two of those guys should be available in the 7th, 8th or even 9th round. I think they have just as much upside as Suggs - sure they could be complete busts this year, but so could Suggs and you're better off taking those chances much later in the draft. Let someone else gamble with a 5th rounder on Suggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Taking the 2nd QB at this point would lead to a hugh amount of riducule. 355062[/snapback] I just coughed water through my nose! DMD won't be able to shake that draft off so easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I'd rather secure the RB2 spot now with Tiki, then take a chance later in the draft on McGahee, Stephen Jackson, or Julius Jones. One or two of those guys should be available in the 7th, 8th or even 9th round. I think they have just as much upside as Suggs - sure they could be complete busts this year, but so could Suggs and you're better off taking those chances much later in the draft. Let someone else gamble with a 5th rounder on Suggs. 355070[/snapback] RIGHT...no william greens in this draft... DID i say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 no argument with you here....the question is whether Suggs upside is big enough to mitigate his downside, which IMO Suggs downside is much bigger than Tiki's. Boils down to risk management. Proven performer with limited upside and limited downside OR unproven RB with big upside and big downside. 355008[/snapback] You are probably right. I guess Tiki is the safest choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) You are probably right. I guess Tiki is the safest choice. 355108[/snapback] Doesn't make it right....just makes it safe....just one of many many drafting styles...WW might cut lose and draft a TE for all we know. Edited August 19, 2004 by Pancake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Did anybody notice that FFM's last picks, Smith and Walker have the same bye :doah: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Doesn't make it right....just makes it safe....just one of many many drafting styles...WW might cut lose and draft a TE for all we know. 355116[/snapback] Shockey or Winslow here? No thanks. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Did anybody notice that FFM's last picks, Smith and Walker have the same bye :doah: 355119[/snapback] AND FSP's #1 and #2 RBs Ahman Green and Chris Brown have the same BYE weeks! Whoops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Did anybody notice that FFM's last picks, Smith and Walker have the same bye :doah: 355119[/snapback] took him an hour to make the second pick, you'd think he'd have noticed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutOne Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) Huddle is on the clock again at 5:02 who will they take ? I think it might be Wheatley but Koren Robinson is still there. I wonder if the Huddle will try Robinson again? Edited August 19, 2004 by HutOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Huddle is on the clock again at 5:02 who will they take ? I think it might be Wheatley but Koren Robinson is still there. I wonder if the Huddle will try Robinson again? 355136[/snapback] Really! The Huddle is on the clock!? Ummm...what do you think we've been discussing for the last 30 posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Doesn't make it right....just makes it safe....just one of many many drafting styles...WW might cut lose and draft a TE for all we know. 355116[/snapback] Exactly...not saying Tiki is the right pick, we won't know who the "right" pick is until December. I understand the logic in looking at Suggs here, I just think he's a bit too risky for this spot. I also think it's too early to go TE (I think that post was sarcastic, but who knows). I don't see a big run on TEs between here and #71. Sure if Gonzo or Heap were available, you could make that argument at this spot. I have Shockey #3 on my TE draft list, but there are plenty of guys right below him that will suffice if he's not there at #71. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Did anybody notice that FFM's last picks, Smith and Walker have the same bye :doah: 355119[/snapback] Its way too early in the draft to be worrying about your WRs bye weeks. You draft the best players at this point and then pick up some scrub later in the draft or off waivers to cover your bye week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Rookie Me........ Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Can anyone join? What about Staley? I think he may help the Steelers in Pit and Bettis has leg problems any time they rely on him heavily. Tiki is not bad, but his fumble problems will catch up to him some day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 According to the Huddle rankings: WR available #16 Toomer, #19 Booker, #20 Price, #21 K. Robinson RB available #21 Barber, #26 Wheatley, #27 Dunn, #28 Garner, #29 George, #30 Buckhalter, #31 Foster, #32 Minor, #33 Jackson, #34 Suggs TE #3 Shockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 What about Staley? 355176[/snapback] Staley is gone, pick #32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I see that WW is reading this thread... we could be seeing a pick here shortly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Rookie Me........ Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nevermind saw the error of my ways.....wow...32 that guy has got some faith... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackerFanX Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Take Tiki already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Its way too early in the draft to be worrying about your WRs bye weeks. You draft the best players at this point and then pick up some scrub later in the draft or off waivers to cover your bye week. 355175[/snapback] You have to pick up 2 scrubs to cover because they have the bye on the same week. I try to keep an eye on it during draft day and it does have some influence on my picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackerFanX Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 The SOFA League Superbowl is in week 16. The Giants play Cinci in week 16 and the Browns play Miami. This info may weigh in if The Huddle is trying to decide between Tiki or Suggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 You have to pick up 2 scrubs to cover because they have the bye on the same week. I try to keep an eye on it during draft day and it does have some influence on my picks. 355191[/snapback] True. Clearly you take it into consideration, but at this point in the draft you're trying to collect the best talent. I'd rather have two really good players with the same bye week and try to piece things together for a week than pass on a player I liked at this point. Obviously, you could say there are players available with the same potential as Walker (or Smith) and therefore they should have taken someone else. I'm not going to argue about Walker or Smith's merrits. But, if it were me, and there were two recievers I really wanted and they were both available I wouldn't let bye weeks stand in my way at this point in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Twinky Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 2000, when Dayne "ate into" Tiki's production the most with 228 carries, Tiki had 1006 yards rushing with 8 Tds on just 213 carries, and another 719 yards receiving with another TD thrown in for giggles. Sounds like 1725 total yards and 11 TDs to me. Not too bad for a #2 RB - borderline #1 is more like what it sounds like, and in a leage that rewards receptions, it's even better for the 70 balls he caught. To me it looks like Tiki Barber has averaged between 4.7 & 5.2 ypc with Dayne sharing carries, while Dayne averaged between 3.4 and 3.8 ypc by comparison. This is from "another board" that I look at once in awhile. I know, it's like committing adultry! Stop it! You all do it too. Anyways, here is another link to more views on the SOFA draft. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...opic=34948&st=0 It seems to me that Tiki has to be the hands-down choice here. I whole-heartedly agree with Tiki here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 and Tiki it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackerFanX Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Finally, The Huddle takes Tiki Barber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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