rajncajn Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Trade was a lose-lose. O-line gets worse and TE position still sucks. You can blame the offensive coordinator but the coach doesn't seem too bright either.It hasn't really translated to wins, but I definitely think New Orleans got the better end of that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It hasn't really translated to wins, but I definitely think New Orleans got the better end of that deal. Couldn't agree more. The lose-lose is entirely for the Seahawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 You are two peas in a pod. Hey now be nice. And trust me I'm no GoldenEagle81 fan, in fact he's one of those on my ignore list. I was just commenting on the fact that he made no mention of dropping him, which is what he got blasted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnToSender Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Have so Orleans homers say that Jimmy was way over rated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Â I disagree. The winning formula in Seattle has been heavy doses of the running game and smothering defense. Not sure why Seattle would be changing what has been a very successful formula for them ... and if they didn't intend to change that winning formula you have to question why the GM would pay top dollar to bring in high profile talent that doesn't exactly fit into the existing formula. Â To me, that trade signaled that they were changing the formula. You don't send away high quality interior blocking for a pure pass catching TE if you are planning to stick to the power run as your primary offensive attack. It makes me wonder if the front office and the coaching staff are on the same page. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Â To me, that trade signaled that they were changing the formula. You don't send away high quality interior blocking for a pure pass catching TE if you are planning to stick to the power run as your primary offensive attack. It makes me wonder if the front office and the coaching staff are on the same page. Pete Carroll is the front office - at least a large part of it. Absolutely nothing about Graham's lack of usage makes the least bit of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle81 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Hey now be nice. And trust me I'm no GoldenEagle81 fan, in fact he's one of those on my ignore list. I was just commenting on the fact that he made no mention of dropping him, which is what he got blasted for.Lol, even enemies can see things for what they are. I like your style, though Stevo. I don't like you either, but I DO like your style.... Edited October 13, 2015 by GoldenEagle81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Hey now be nice. And trust me I'm no GoldenEagle81 fan, in fact he's one of those on my ignore list. I was just commenting on the fact that he made no mention of dropping him, which is what he got blasted for. Â Made no mention? Yeah you nailed it dude...definitely said I was dropping him. "Lmao" Â Yes, it was sarcasm, but he was being sarcastic about dropping him, which insinuates that he actually does have him on his roster. Everyone else in this thread seems to get that and even if they didn't michaelredd pointed it out. Â But for the third & last time, what he still fails to recognize is that nothing I said had any relevance to his fantasy team, so him telling me to "get a clue" because he hadn't drafted Graham only goes to show that he's the last person here that should be talking about anyone's reading comprehension. Â Now, I've spent way more time than I should have with this ridiculousness. The guy is just being a troll at this point and I don't believe I've visited this thread yet where he wasn't lurking, surely trying to come up with his next line. So, he's welcome to fire his shots. I'll discuss Graham, but I'm done otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The root problem in the NFL for many teams is that they don't look to improve the offensive line unless its already a problem. Its the first thing they neglect in search of playmakers on offence and Seattle presumably thought they could get an elite pass catching TE without the line suffering too much but they were clearly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswear3 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Don't know if it's game flow specific or a long term mentality change, but Graham is completely destroying the Panthers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Â To me, that trade signaled that they were changing the formula. You don't send away high quality interior blocking for a pure pass catching TE if you are planning to stick to the power run as your primary offensive attack. It makes me wonder if the front office and the coaching staff are on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle81 Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited)  Made no mention?   Yes, it was sarcasm, but he was being sarcastic about dropping him, which insinuates that he actually does have him on his roster. Everyone else in this thread seems to get that and even if they didn't michaelredd pointed it out.  But for the third & last time, what he still fails to recognize is that nothing I said had any relevance to his fantasy team, so him telling me to "get a clue" because he hadn't drafted Graham only goes to show that he's the last person here that should be talking about anyone's reading comprehension.  Now, I've spent way more time than I should have with this ridiculousness. The guy is just being a troll at this point and I don't believe I've visited this thread yet where he wasn't lurking, surely trying to come up with his next line. So, he's welcome to fire his shots. I'll discuss Graham, but I'm done otherwise. Well that's a first...can't say I've ever been accused of "lurking/trolling" a thread I actually created, LMAO. Thanks though, I'm honored either way to have clearly gotten under your skin without even trying. To sum things up, you come out of nowhere and claim I had "given up on Graham halfway through the first game". But you're telling me you weren't assuming I had him on my team...that is what you're trying to tell me, correct? If you didn't think Graham was on my team, then I suppose you suspected that I was just heartbroken and "giving up" on him being a great TE for everyone ELSE in fantasy land, huh???? Explain that one to me. Oh.....wait......  The only thing I've "failed to realize" is why its so hard for you to keep your big mouth shut (meanwhile accusing me of continuing to argue just like you are doing, lol...priceless!). You're a walking contradiction. Edited October 19, 2015 by GoldenEagle81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 On pace for 76-900-4. Almost exactly where I thought he'd be minus only two TDs so far on the season. I think his involvement will continue to slowly increase in the 2nd half of the season. Â TE 2 at best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Â He is currently the 7th highest scoring tight end in PPR. 12th in pts per game, which is a better stat imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) 12th in pts per game, which is a better stat imo  Actually looking at the average that way (and total score/overall ranking as well) hides the variance. In a TE1 I want a player who puts up good numbers consistently and doesn't have the spikes and dips.  Jimmy's scores in my local are - 17.10 2.10 21.30 6.9 6.0 22.0 5.10 14.50  There are 4 out of 8 weeks I would not have wanted to start him, HALF of his starts. Edited November 4, 2015 by Grits and Shins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Â True. And only 2 points per game separates 9th from 18th. Â See my post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Â Actually looking at the average that way (and total score/overall ranking as well) hides the variance. In a TE1 I want a player who puts up good numbers consistently and doesn't have the spikes and dips. Â Jimmy's scores in my local are - 17.10 2.10 21.30 6.9 6.0 22.0 5.10 14.50 Â There are 4 out of 8 weeks I would not have wanted to start him, HALF of his starts. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 12th in pts per game, which is a better stat imo For the most part, although that puts guys like Austin Seferian Jenkins and Gates as top 5 TEs with 2 games played each. Total points is a better stat when everyone has their byes out of the way. Â Safe to say Graham has been a low end TE1 through the first half of the season. If he improves at all, especially with TDs, he stands to near his ADP as a the third TE off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Kelce and Olsen both have had 3 out of their 8 and 3 out of 7 games in single digits; respectively. Edited November 4, 2015 by Bobby Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Kelce and Olsen both have 3 out of their 8 games in single digits also. Â ETA..actually 3 out of 7...they haven't had byes yet. Â And where were those guys drafted in relation to Graham, Olsen had his bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Â And where were those guys drafted in relation to Graham, Olsen had his bye In my high stakes FFPC league, Olsen went a round before Graham and Kelce went 6 picks after Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Kelce and Olsen both have 3 out of their 8 games in single digits also. Â ETA..actually 3 out of 7...they haven't had byes yet. Â Olsen has 7 games played, Kelce has 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Interestingly enough, with all of the growing pains, Graham is getting about one less target per game so far than last year...and on pace to barely exceed total receiving yards from last season (although was he dinged some games?). Â If the familiarity between Wilson keeps improving and their offense stops sputtering so much; bettering the output from last year is not out of the question.....of course the 10TDs is probably not be achievable. Edited November 4, 2015 by Bobby Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Â Olsen has 7 games played, Kelce has 8. Fixed original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Â Actually looking at the average that way (and total score/overall ranking as well) hides the variance. In a TE1 I want a player who puts up good numbers consistently and doesn't have the spikes and dips. Â Jimmy's scores in my local are - 17.10 2.10 21.30 6.9 6.0 22.0 5.10 14.50 Â There are 4 out of 8 weeks I would not have wanted to start him, HALF of his starts. yeah, I didn't word that very well. I meant the pts per game stat is more telling. I agree with what u posted. That was the pt I was trying to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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