masslefty33 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Have you ever heard of a statistic as one sided as this? What can be expected out of Big Ben this weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 13 - 1 is nearly as impressive Seriously thought... 13 seems like a really low number. He's only faced the same QB 13 times in the same season?!? Seems way too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarge5121976 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 a loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Should the Steelers even bother showing up ? Should they start Maddox instead based on this stat ? Since we are into statistics, how about this one: Ben Roethlisberger is 15-0 as a starter when facing any team, on any day, on any NFL field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Is this true? Belichick spent 1991-1995 as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During those years he played 3 teams twice a year (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Houston). Adding a 3rd game against Pittsburgh in 1995 and that makes 16 repeat games. Below is a list of the 11 of those 16 repeat games that the Browns lost. I did not research the starting QB, it is possible that the QB changed for some of the games but certainly not for all of them. Perhaps this stat is for the Patriots only or for the last 13 games ... but it is most definitely NOT for Belichick's head coaching career. 9/15/91 - Cleveland 14, Cincinnati 13 11/03/91 - Cincinnati 23, Cleveland 21 11/17/91 - Houston 28, Cleveland 24 12/15/91 - Houston 17, Cleveland 14 10/27/91 - Cleveland 17, Pittsburgh 14 12/22/91 - Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 10 10/11/92 - Cleveland 17, Pittsburgh 9 12/27/92 - Pittsburgh 23, Cleveland 13 11/08/92 - Cleveland 24, Houston 14 12/20/92 - Houston 17, Cleveland 14 10/24/93 - Cleveland 28, Pittsburgh 23 1/2/04 - Pittsburgh 16, Cleveland 9 11/21/93 - Houston 27, Cleveland 20 12/12/93 - Houston 19, Cleveland 17 9/11/94 - Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 10 12/18/94 - Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 7 1/7/95 - Pittsburgh 29, Cleveland 9 (Playoffs) 9/17/95 - Cleveland 14, Houston 7 11/05/95 - Houston 37, Cleveland 10 11/13/95 - Pittsburgh 20, Cleveland 3 11/26/95 - Pittsburgh 20, Cleveland 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masslefty33 Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 Is this true? Belichick spent 1991-1995 as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During those years he played 3 teams twice a year (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Houston). Adding a 3rd game against Pittsburgh in 1995 and that makes 16 repeat games. Below is a list of the 11 of those 16 repeat games that the Browns lost. I did not research the starting QB, it is possible that the QB changed for some of the games but certainly not for all of them. Perhaps this stat is for the Patriots only or for the last 13 games ... but it is most definitely NOT for Belichick's head coaching career. 9/15/91 - Cleveland 14, Cincinnati 13 11/03/91 - Cincinnati 23, Cleveland 21 11/17/91 - Houston 28, Cleveland 24 12/15/91 - Houston 17, Cleveland 14 10/27/91 - Cleveland 17, Pittsburgh 14 12/22/91 - Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 10 10/11/92 - Cleveland 17, Pittsburgh 9 12/27/92 - Pittsburgh 23, Cleveland 13 11/08/92 - Cleveland 24, Houston 14 12/20/92 - Houston 17, Cleveland 14 10/24/93 - Cleveland 28, Pittsburgh 23 1/2/04 - Pittsburgh 16, Cleveland 9 11/21/93 - Houston 27, Cleveland 20 12/12/93 - Houston 19, Cleveland 17 9/11/94 - Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 10 12/18/94 - Pittsburgh 17, Cleveland 7 1/7/95 - Pittsburgh 29, Cleveland 9 (Playoffs) 9/17/95 - Cleveland 14, Houston 7 11/05/95 - Houston 37, Cleveland 10 11/13/95 - Pittsburgh 20, Cleveland 3 11/26/95 - Pittsburgh 20, Cleveland 17 657834[/snapback] Yes with the Patriots. This stat came from ESPN. While we are on stats! How about 7-0 career playoff record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Yes with the Patriots. This stat came from ESPN. While we are on stats! How about 7-0 career playoff record! 657836[/snapback] Well Belichick had a life before coaching the Patriots. And it wasn't pretty. You'd better hope (for your sake) the genius comes from Belichick and not Romeo Crenell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Should the Steelers even bother showing up ? Should they start Maddox instead based on this stat ? Since we are into statistics, how about this one: Ben Roethlisberger is 15-0 as a starter when facing any team, on any day, on any NFL field. 657811[/snapback] The Steelers should be heavy favorites this weekend. Not that being the favorite means anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 The Steelers should be heavy favorites this weekend. Not that being the favorite means anything... 657866[/snapback] You really think so? The Pats are a dynasty who just held the greatest offense in the history of the NFL to three points and the Steelers got lucky to beat the Jets. In addition, EVERYTHING went the Steelers way in the first meeting including a 21 -3 lead and Dillon sitting out. The Pats should be favored I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsfan04 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Well Belichick had a life before coaching the Patriots. And it wasn't pretty. 657851[/snapback] Yeah, he was 1-1 in the playoffs for the Browns, not bad for a team that has an NFL postseason record of 11-20. 7-0 with the Pats, 8-1 overall. Put that up against anybody, in fact, he is one victory behind Lombardi (9-1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piles Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 You really think so? The Pats are a dynasty who just held the greatest offense in the history of the NFL to three points and the Steelers got lucky to beat the Jets. In addition, EVERYTHING went the Steelers way in the first meeting including a 21 -3 lead and Dillon sitting out. The Pats should be favored I think. 657879[/snapback] Agreed the Pats should be the favorites IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 7-0 with the Pats, 8-1 overall.657880[/snapback] 7-1 and 8-2 is still pretty impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 You really think so? The Pats are a dynasty who just held the greatest offense in the history of the NFL to three points and the Steelers got lucky to beat the Jets. In addition, EVERYTHING went the Steelers way in the first meeting including a 21 -3 lead and Dillon sitting out. The Pats should be favored I think. 657879[/snapback] Steelers == 9-0 at home, 11-1 in the AFC, on a 15 game winning streak, the QB has never lost a start, and Cowher (even as much as I don't like his sideline antics) is one of the most successful coaches in the league 10 years running. And they beat the team coming to town this season. They should be favored at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsfan04 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 7-1 and 8-2 is still pretty impressive 657885[/snapback] We will see, the Colts fans were pretty confident last week as well. What is Bill Cowher's record in home AFC Championship games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) We will see, the Colts fans were pretty confident last week as well.What is Bill Cowher's record in home AFC Championship games? 657899[/snapback] 1-3, but what does that have to do with this game ? By the way, I haven't seen many Steeler fans feeling overconfident. I think the Steelers are going to win, but I certainly won't be surprised if the Pats come in and get the victory. I've actually seen most Steeler fans handing out their praise to the Pats. Edited January 17, 2005 by Menudo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 What is Bill Cowher's record in home AFC Championship games? 657899[/snapback] 0-0 so far this year. We will see, the Colts fans were pretty confident last week as well. The Steelers are MUCH better than the Colts on D and the Steelers O matches up better against the Pats D. Having said that, the only "disrespectful" thing I am going to do this week is to tweak these stats to show that the Steelers will win. The Pats are a great team and it will take the Steelers best effort to beat them... I think it will happen but it's not guaranteed in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglytuna Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Vegas as NE as 3 point favorites.... I guess the Steelers are forunate enough to even play this week. What you Steelers fail to understand that NE is a different animal in the playoffs. 7-0 is living proof and Sunday night will be just another example. Ugly Tuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 What you Steelers fail to understand that NE is a different animal in the playoffs. 657995[/snapback] No we don't. The Steelers are going to have to play one of their best games of the season in order to win, but we think they are capable of doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I love usless stats the networks dig up to try to make a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglytuna Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 From ESPN News: QBs who have faced the Patriots twice in the same season, since 2001 (incl playoffs) W-L: 1st Game: 5-8 2nd Game: 0-13 Completion %: 1st Game: 59.7 2nd Game: 56.3 Pass YPG: 1st Game: 236.6 2nd Game: 218.6 TD-INT: 1st Game: 17-14 2nd Game: 11-22 Passer Rating: 1st Game: 80.5 2nd Game: 62.9 0-13 !!! 62.9 QB rating is exactly what Manning got on Sunday. Mmmmm can u say "fresh QB". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 if the pittsburgh offensive line and defensive front 7 are able to smack the smaller patriots, they could easily manhandle this team....AGAIN!! rothy can not play like he did last week. he just has to have a better effort than that. rothy also needs plax to step up for him. the advantage plax will have on the cornerbacks should be a cause of concern for the patriots. in the end though, it might all just depend on who wins the trenches and turnover battle. i'm cautiously optimistic about their chances this week and actually like the fact that vegas is making them a 3 pt dog. motivational wise, it has to help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglytuna Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Question is, does the Steelers score any offensive points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Passer Rating:1st Game: 80.5 2nd Game: 62.9 658146[/snapback] So you are predicting Big Ben's passer rating to be 108.8 for the rematch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Question is, does the Steelers score any offensive points? 658330[/snapback] You had some questions earlier this year, I answered them after the game here: http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=69964&hl= So attention all Steelers Fans, answers these questions with some facts and maybe I'll believe you that the Steelers have a shot at beating the Patriots. . (1) What team have the Steelers beat this year which has a winning record or even a .500 record? THE PATRIOTS (2) Do you really honestly think Duce and the Bus will go off, with NE run defense that has improved every week. NE has shut down the red hot Curtis Martin and Shawn Alexander. These two players are more feared the Duce or Bus. I'm sure Belichick will game plan to stop the WR first and then worry about the rushing game. The same game plan he had against the Colts in week 1. DUCE = 125, BETTIS = 65 (3) Passing game: With such a great secondary I think Ward and Burress will be kept in check. NE is ranked #2 in pass defense. NE has such great corners and safeties. NE gives up a lot of yardage but has the best red zone defense in the NFL. Bend but NEVER break defense. NE has better offense then Pittsburgh and far better defense. BURRESS = 3-63, 2 TD'S WARD = 6-58 RANDLE-EL = 6-44 (4) NE offense has been very special this year. Dillon has his mojo working and has been very effective this year. The last couple of games they have been playing 86' New York Giants Football. Grinding out games with ball control running game. NE WR's have been very under-rated squad. With Deon Branch and Troy Brown out; Patten, Graham and Givens haven't missed a beat. Given is the next coming of the Hines Ward mold. Ward fans will see alot of similarities in this game. BALL CONTROL RUNNING GAME = 5 YARDS (5) Tom Brady is so cool under pressure that he answers any bell when they are under any type of pressure. 2 PICKS, 1 FOR A TD !!!!!!!!!!!! (6) Dear Big Ben, I truly feel sorry for you because Belichick is licking his chops on this one. He will easily have his worst day as a pro. Hope you can hand all the different looks and blitz. If Peyton Manning can't figure him out do you think Big Ben can? 18/24 196 2 0 GOOD CALL !!!!!!!!!!! (7) Pittsburgh has only home field advantage working for them. I think Randal El can be the x-factor in this game. RANDLE EL HELPED, HOMEFIELD HELP, STEELERS BITCHSLAPPED THE PATS (8) Prediction: Game will be close until the 2nd quarter when NE will produce the Steelers to make stupid mental mistakes. I also think NE will win the turn over battle. With that said, NE 24 Pitt 10 STUPID MENTAL MISTAKES WERE BY BRADY, THE ROOKIE SCHOOLED HIM......DEAL WITH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm curious to see why Steeler fans think Pittsburgh will win this game. Just saying that Big Ben is the man, won't do it for me. ANYMORE QUESTIONS ?????????????????? Ugly Tuna -------------------- Coming...are the Steelers....and OUR WINNING STREAK WILL BE HISTORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21 STRAIGHT WINS AND COUNTING!!!! 0 STRAIGHT WINS AND COUNTING!!!! the longest NFL Record in History! OVER 18 Straight Regular Season Wins (New NFL Record) 0 REGULARS SEASON WINS Don't bet against a Bill Belichick coached team! I DID AND I WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 Straight Wins = 2 Super Bowl Trophies in 3 years 0 STRAIGHT WINS = STOP LIVING IN THE PAST Patriots 32 - Panthers 29 Patriots 24 - Colts 14 Patriots 17 - Titans 14 STEELERS 34 - PATRIOTS 20 New England Patriots - Super Bowl 2001 & 2003 Champions WHO CARES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Boston Red Sox - 2004 World Series Champions BASEBALL SEASON IS OVER !!!! ME NUDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Pats are the defending champs and surprised a lot of people by how thoroughly they shut down the most prolific offense in NFL history. They have the better coach, and are lead by a two-time Superbowl MVP as opposed to a rookie. Homefield is nice for the Steelers, but it is not as if the Pats are not used to playing outdoors in winter weather. Pats should be the favorite in this game. I love rooting for the underdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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