Puddy Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) I have been co-commish of my long standing local for about 15 years. We tried to vote in a mandatory tight end using the league site over the last few weeks. The vote ended up 5-5 with 4 teams not voting (not sure if they weren't on the site or whatnot). Tonight we had our draft. 9 teams made the draft in person while 5 drafted along online and via conference call. One of the remote guys drew the first pick and told the other commish to take LT when we started drafting and to call him when it was close to his turn again. Well, the only order of business prior to drafting was to take a vote on the TE position. We got a majority vote without the first team participating. The problem is by the time he got back on the line we forgot to tell him that the vote passed. On my way home, I'm perusing the rosters and realized he didn't draft a TE. Only then do I realize that we didn't tell him about the vote. This is a 14 team league and many of us drafted 2. How in the world do we handle this situation? Edited September 4, 2008 by Puddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 If its a friendly local league then give him first choice on someones SECOND TE and then let them each take their backups on a FCFS basis if they want to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 That is tough. Not sure there is a good way to remedy that. One guy is already hosed, and you'll want to be careful not to hose the other 13 in the process of trying to make it right for the one. Perhaps you could cut him a break on his entry fee and give him his choice of any FA TEs that are left? Might be small consolation to the guy, but I am not sure what else you can do at this point. Hope it works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 If its a friendly local league then give him first choice on someones SECOND TE and then let them each take their backups on a FCFS basis if they want to While it is a friendly league it is also a $225 entry fee + transaction costs. My first thought was to also have him select one of our backups and to trade a similar round pick of his to that team. I actually think it should be from one of the commishes roster (my backup is Olsen the other commishes is Daniels). I also don't know what you mean by the bolded part I'm just wondering if there is a better option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Let him continue to field a roster and weekly lineup without a TE, and then for every weekly matchup of his, he gets the exact same number of points as his opponent gets at the TE position for that week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Let him continue to field a roster and weekly lineup without a TE, and then for every weekly matchup of his, he gets the exact same number of points as his opponent gets at the TE position for that week. Along the same lines but I had this happen with a league a while back and the way we remedied it was by averaging all the tight ends points for that week and while throwing out the top scorer and the lowest score. So basically after each week you take the top scoring TE and the lowest scoring TE then average the remianing 12 scores and give him those points each week. He doesn't play a TE. Simple TE don't usually go off for major points anyway and we found that over the season the average points was around 7 points. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 If I were him I'd be a bit PO'd about this "let him pick someone else's scrub TE" idea. Really there is no fair way to do this. Giving him an "avg" TE score is probably best way short of a redraft (and he would be more than reasonable to ask for one, although I realize the timeframe probably makes it impossible)...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhabums Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Perhaps I lack sympathy when it comes to FF, but I expect the guys in our league to vote on issues and show up for the draft in its entirety or send a friend. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. When the 10th TE was drafted did it not tip him off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Perhaps I lack sympathy when it comes to FF, but I expect the guys in our league to vote on issues and show up for the draft in its entirety or send a friend. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. When the 10th TE was drafted did it not tip him off? Agreed. The guy should have checked the league site, and sounds like most were aware of the vote, as he should have been. More his fault than it is anyones. Select whats left and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Agreed. The guy should have checked the league site, and sounds like most were aware of the vote, as he should have been. More his fault than it is anyones. Select whats left and learn. You know both the above posts make a lot of sense. If he was paying any attention at all during the draft he would have noticed when 13 other teams called out TE's. Especially, Gates, Witten, Gonzales, Shockey, Heap, Kellen Winslow, I mean come on how could you miss most likely 17 plus TE's being drafted and not think to draft one. Doesn't make sense. You can't go through an entire draft and not notice that TE's are being drafted unless your not paying any attention to the draft at all except for when it was his turn to pick, in which case, he probably didn't draft very well anyhow drafting blind to trends and runs. Like I said above Average is my suggestion but taking a hard line and making him draft whats left would not be overly harsh as he should have been paying attention period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 That's one of the toughest I've heard. You can't compound it by taking someone elses player. Once you voted in the new rule you probably changed language for minimum roster requirements. (1 TE required) So his last pick should be voided because it made his roster illegal. Give him first shot at all the TE free agents for three weeks at no charge as a jesture. Hopefully someone emerges. Not drafting a TE he probably got some better players elsewhere, so he shouldn't be at a disadvantage. But I kind of agree he should have stayed on the line and at least heard of the proposed rule change. The commish's screwed up yes, but he isn't a child, he has to use some common sense and be aware of the draft flow. Maybe l let him claim the rights to 2 TE's for a week or two and sign then one that he perfers. But the first thing I would do is ask him want he wants done. Don't offer more than he wants. Perhaps he thinks it's his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMikeinNY Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Let him continue to field a roster and weekly lineup without a TE, and then for every weekly matchup of his, he gets the exact same number of points as his opponent gets at the TE position for that week. dang! Great idea SB! Seriously, I would consider this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 League average for the TE spot is the only way to go here. It is very fair to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 You know both the above posts make a lot of sense. If he was paying any attention at all during the draft he would have noticed when 13 other teams called out TE's. Especially, Gates, Witten, Gonzales, Shockey, Heap, Kellen Winslow, I mean come on how could you miss most likely 17 plus TE's being drafted and not think to draft one. Doesn't make sense. You can't go through an entire draft and not notice that TE's are being drafted unless your not paying any attention to the draft at all except for when it was his turn to pick, in which case, he probably didn't draft very well anyhow drafting blind to trends and runs. Like I said above Average is my suggestion but taking a hard line and making him draft whats left would not be overly harsh as he should have been paying attention period. It is a 14 team league. TEs are going to be drafted as WRs in leagues that don't require TEs. You can't penalize him because NOT A SINGLE OWNER thought to tell him about a new rule that passed in his absence. There is no way a rule like this should have been passed at the draft anyway as it is the type of rule change that impacts drafting strategy. The only recourse is to give him an average TE score each week. I would require him to maintain an open roster spot though. If roster size is 16 then his roster size would be 15. He shouldn't be allowed to maintain a full roster AND get an average TE score each week. As it is he doesn't have to worry about covering a bye week as he would be getting an average score each week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 League average for the TE spot is the only way to go here. It is very fair to everyone.Except it's not fair to anyone. Going with averages.......1/2 the league will feel screwed because one team automatically ALWAYS scores better then they do at the TE spot. ...the other 1/2 the league that have above average TE get screwed as one team automatically gets more points based on how their TE does. ...the owner of the "average TE" gets screwed as he never has a chance to score better then average. The owner is at fault for not being a part of the draft. You can't complain about your roster if you don't show up or show up late and have someone else pick for you. However, it's also the commish's fault for making a last minute rule change official and not informing the entire league of the change or making accommodations if picking for someone who isn't there. However, that doesn't change the fact that he still doesn't have a tight end. IMO, the "fairest" thing, for the league as a whole, is to invalidate his last pick and let him pick up a TE that is currently a free agent gratis. Using the Huddle's projections, the difference between the 12th best and 24th best is less then 3 points in a non-PPR league, and less then 6 in a PPR one. Not insignificant, but also not too significant either. Plus one of them could be a hidden gem due to luck, an injury, etc. It's not ideal for the owner, but it's the best that you can do without doing the draft completely over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Except it's not fair to anyone. Going with averages.......1/2 the league will feel screwed because one team automatically ALWAYS scores better then they do at the TE spot. ...the other 1/2 the league that have above average TE get screwed as one team automatically gets more points based on how their TE does. ...the owner of the "average TE" gets screwed as he never has a chance to score better then average. The owner is at fault for not being a part of the draft. You can't complain about your roster if you don't show up or show up late and have someone else pick for you. However, it's also the commish's fault for making a last minute rule change official and not informing the entire league of the change or making accommodations if picking for someone who isn't there. However, that doesn't change the fact that he still doesn't have a tight end. IMO, the "fairest" thing, for the league as a whole, is to invalidate his last pick and let him pick up a TE that is currently a free agent gratis. Using the Huddle's projections, the difference between the 12th best and 24th best is less then 3 points in a non-PPR league, and less then 6 in a PPR one. Not insignificant, but also not too significant either. Plus one of them could be a hidden gem due to luck, an injury, etc. It's not ideal for the owner, but it's the best that you can do without doing the draft completely over. I have to agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Except it's not fair to anyone. Going with averages.......1/2 the league will feel screwed because one team automatically ALWAYS scores better then they do at the TE spot. ...the other 1/2 the league that have above average TE get screwed as one team automatically gets more points based on how their TE does. ...the owner of the "average TE" gets screwed as he never has a chance to score better then average. The owner is at fault for not being a part of the draft. You can't complain about your roster if you don't show up or show up late and have someone else pick for you. However, it's also the commish's fault for making a last minute rule change official and not informing the entire league of the change or making accommodations if picking for someone who isn't there. However, that doesn't change the fact that he still doesn't have a tight end. IMO, the "fairest" thing, for the league as a whole, is to invalidate his last pick and let him pick up a TE that is currently a free agent gratis. Using the Huddle's projections, the difference between the 12th best and 24th best is less then 3 points in a non-PPR league, and less then 6 in a PPR one. Not insignificant, but also not too significant either. Plus one of them could be a hidden gem due to luck, an injury, etc. It's not ideal for the owner, but it's the best that you can do without doing the draft completely over. I strongly disagree with your stance. There can be a variety of reasons that cause an owner to draft remotely. He drafted his own team even though he was not physically present. As NOT A SINGLE OWNER thought it was relevant to tell the owner that was not present that he would be requried to start a TE they all realized a small benefit. What benefit? The level of TE available for them to draft and a starter and as a back up was just a little bit better. It was a poor job by the commissioner to be sure ... but each and every owner at the draft also came up short. Giving the guy some scrub left over that none of the other teams even wanted as their backup TE is the FARTHEST thing from being fair. What if his last 2 picks were his only place kicker and only defense? Would you void his last pick and make his roster invalid again? Would you drop his third from last pick? The only fair thing to do is to give him an average TE score. You mention that half the league will consider this unfair each week ... they can be reminded that they also could have filled in the new owner about the TE requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWmaker Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 League average for the TE spot is the only way to go here. It is very fair to everyone. Gotta disagree. Not exactly fair to the other league memebers. Each time they drafted a TE, they gave up the right to select another position player. The owner not selecting any TE's had the chance to field a better lineup in other positions since he didn't have to sacrifice picks in rounds where he would've drafted a TE. I orignally thought giving the avg of TEs would be way to go, but now I'm slightly against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The only fair thing to do is to give him an average TE score. You mention that half the league will consider this unfair each week ... they can be reminded that they also could have filled in the new owner about the TE requirement. As much as it pains me, I agree with Blitz here. Puddy, you guys are collectively a bunch of dumbasses, the owner for not realizing it after Tony Scheffler went in the 8th round, and the rest of the league for not telling him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Gotta disagree. Not exactly fair to the other league memebers. Each time they drafted a TE, they gave up the right to select another position player. The owner not selecting any TE's had the chance to field a better lineup in other positions since he didn't have to sacrifice picks in rounds where he would've drafted a TE. I orignally thought giving the avg of TEs would be way to go, but now I'm slightly against it. Right, but it happened, and you have to deal with it now. Coming up with a solution after the fact that will not further compromise what's left of the integrity of the league is what needs to be done now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) The reason I don't like the average score each week is because, he never had the opportunity to draft someone above average at that position. So you are in a sense penalizing him with medicority. Maybe everyone should have to drop their TE's and then you just re-distribute the top ranked TE's with a random number generator. If he automatically gets the same TE score as his opponent each week, then it kind of cancels out any advantage that his opponent had in the draft, and it still ends up giving him an average total score at the end of the season (if total points matter). But if you go that route, you would need to make sure that everyone plays fair and starts their best option at TE against him each week. Edited September 4, 2008 by Savage Beatings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Maybe everyone should have to drop their TE's and then you just re-distribute the top ranked TE's with a random number generator. Now that would piss me off if I used my 2nd round pick to draft Witten and ended up Zach Miller. Using the average score only affects one game per week, anything else completely compromises the entire league. JMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWmaker Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 look - he obviously has an overage at other positions since he didn't pick any TE's. Let him trade for one. Otherwise let him pick one up off waivers. He's evidently got an advantage in other positions, so he should not have sour grapes. Puddy, you're a putz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Puddy, you're a putz. DING! DING! DING! We have a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Put it to a league vote and give the owners two options... #1- give him league average points each week. Under no circumstance can he get same points each week as his current opponent , as that would totally negate the guys that drafted top 5 TE's early and piss them off big time. or #2- let him pick up 2-3 TE's right now and carry 2-3 more players on his roster than everyone else for the rest of the year. However, he must keep those extra roster spots filled with TE's all year. No dropping them so that he only has 1 TE and then filling up those spots with extra RB's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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