eags Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) I'm still trying to figure this out. the "game predictions" say finley is gonna have 4 receptions for 40 yards and no touchdowns which to me means you should bench him. today the "start/bench list comes out and tuvey talks like finley is the best thing since sliced bread this week. S1 starter. I know there is another article coming that will try to explain the 2 opinions but does that make it any easier? dorey, get your ass in gear and bring this site back to what it once was! this is just one example of what has been going on all year! Edited December 1, 2011 by eags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Giants just got torched by an athletic TE on a team, like GB, with a ton of options, that's why Finley could be a great play. Finley has disappeared in many games this year, that's why he's not. Do you want these guys to somehow make that paradox go away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Do you want these guys to somehow make that paradox go away? Well that, and he needs to know exactly how many fantasy points each player on his roster will score so he can start the right guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I know there is another article coming that will try to explain the 2 opinions but does that make it any easier? I know it would require more reading, and in turn possibly more use of brain cells, and may even lead to potential decision making, but that explanation they provide is very well done as they explain their reasoning for their projections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 A Platinum Membership to the Huddle does include hand holding, in addition to the Champagne Room and book deals mentioned in previous threads. Perhaps you should consider this option for next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eags Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 Giants just got torched by an athletic TE on a team, like GB, with a ton of options, that's why Finley could be a great play. Finley has disappeared in many games this year, that's why he's not. Do you want these guys to somehow make that paradox go away? they are supposed to try to help take the tough decision making out of it. that is not doing that at all. this is supposed to be a fantasy football advice site, which is what it used to be. just like the advice section. nobody cares enough to give anybody advice anymore. they just go in and read all the questions but dont reply. when this site first started the advice section was the best thing in fantasy football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eags Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 A Platinum Membership to the Huddle does include hand holding, in addition to the Champagne Room and book deals mentioned in previous threads. Perhaps you should consider this option for next year? does it also include meeting you in a dark alley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm still trying to figure this out. the "game predictions" say finley is gonna have 4 receptions for 40 yards and no touchdowns which to me means you should bench him. today the "start/bench list comes out and tuvey talks like finley is the best thing since sliced bread this week. S1 starter. I know there is another article coming that will try to explain the 2 opinions but does that make it any easier? dorey, get your ass in gear and bring this site back to what it once was! this is just one example of what has been going on all year! What exactly does "get your ass in gear and bring this site back to what it once was" mean? For 15 years there has been the chances that the Player Projections and Start Bench List would not match since they are independently created. Are you saying go back to not having the "Upon Further Review" that is expressly done for the reason you posted this? Considering we spin through 200+ players every week, the amount of agreement we have is not only astounding but a testament to how good Tuvey must be. If Finley does not get any UFR votes, I will be happy to further explain myself here but it sounds like nothing will get it done for you besides complete agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major-tom Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 The biggest head scratcher is that you've been around since '04 and still don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 they are supposed to try to help take the tough decision making out of it. that is not doing that at all. this is supposed to be a fantasy football advice site, which is what it used to be. just like the advice section. nobody cares enough to give anybody advice anymore. they just go in and read all the questions but dont reply. when this site first started the advice section was the best thing in fantasy football. So you are saying you miss anonymous message board posters not telling you what to do as much in the past? How can we make people want to answer advice questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 So you are saying you miss anonymous message board posters not telling you what to do as much in the past? How can we make people want to answer advice questions? why don't you guys go into the advice forum and answer some questions now and then ... that would be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hal9000 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 This site is just an aide (and a very good one at that) for providing us the information to make an informed decision. I read everything they publish several times (plus whatever other sources are available) but I also decide which is the right call for me. Last week I had to decide between Julio Jones and Vincent Brown as my WR3 where there was a similar disparity and even though Julio was more highly thought of (esp by Jumbo) I went with Brown and was rewarded. This site is worth every penny. Since I became a member I have been in the championship game for the last 5 years in a tough 12 team league with deep rosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 A Platinum Membership to the Huddle does include hand holding, in addition to the Champagne Room and book deals mentioned in previous threads. Perhaps you should consider this option for next year? Don't forget about handjobs from TimC while he wears a Shatner wig and recites his spoken word of Elton John's Rocket man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eags Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 What exactly does "get your ass in gear and bring this site back to what it once was" mean? For 15 years there has been the chances that the Player Projections and Start Bench List would not match since they are independently created. Are you saying go back to not having the "Upon Further Review" that is expressly done for the reason you posted this? Considering we spin through 200+ players every week, the amount of agreement we have is not only astounding but a testament to how good Tuvey must be. If Finley does not get any UFR votes, I will be happy to further explain myself here but it sounds like nothing will get it done for you besides complete agreement. dave, first of all, thankyou for responding. i want to say that yes, i have been and always will be a member of the huddle. all i'm saying is that i don't understand why you have such different opinions posted within two days. i know it is from two different people. i do get the fact that you can read both opinions and go with whatever one you wish. i just think if that was the case why would alot of people bother joining a site? i know people dont join to get called stupid. as far as not using my brain cells and needing my hand held, i do have 5 superbowl championships in 14 years. not bad for a guy who needs his hand held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eags Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 why don't you guys go into the advice forum and answer some questions now and then ... that would be cool. their too busy disagreeing with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedingGreen Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) their too busy disagreeing with each other. How can you not disagree about Finley's production? He's all over the freaking map. Admit it, that's what bothers you. It would bother me if I owned him. I'd rather have to honest opinions. I prefer to use my brain to make my own consensus. Don't beat up the writers for being honest. Beat up yourself for not listening to JUM and drafting Jimmy Graham. Edited December 1, 2011 by BleedingGreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Don't forget about handjobs from TimC while he wears a Shatner wig and recites his spoken word of Elton John's Rocket man. He is Hall and Oates, so M-E-T-H-O-D O-F L-O-V-E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 why don't you guys go into the advice forum and answer some questions now and then ... that would be cool. I've seen JUM in there answering questions from time to time, and it is cool to get a respected and knowledgeable football guy to give his $0.02 worth about whatever insignificant little decision it is that I need to make. People take fantasy football way too seriously if they are going to complain about the fact that the guys running the Huddle aren't mind readers or that they have differing opinions. Everyone has differing opinions, and nobody knows what will actually happen. The best we can do is look at trends, look at a player's specific situation, and make an educated guess as to how that player will perform. So the most we can ask of any individual writer is to do just that - tell us your opinion about a player and what sort of evidence you used to get to that opinion. The fact that they are willing to discuss "upon further review" and give us their take on the evidence is fantastic, and I surely hope it doesn't go away. Because, quite frankly, we need anything we can get at all that helps us understand how the Jermichael Finley's of the world are going to produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 their too busy disagreeing with each other. Your village called, they're looking for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 they are supposed to try to help take the tough decision making out of it. that is not doing that at all. this is supposed to be a fantasy football advice site, which is what it used to be. just like the advice section. nobody cares enough to give anybody advice anymore. they just go in and read all the questions but dont reply. when this site first started the advice section was the best thing in fantasy football. 1) They're supposed to give you data and analysis. If, between the two of them, neither bothered to mention a) that Finley has been a very unreliable play or that he does happen to be playing a team who had no idea what to do with Graham last week, then I'd think they were sleeping on the job. Because both of those are true. 2) The advice forum is broken, but not because not enough people care, but because it takes about 15 minutes for a question to get buried on the page by the onslaught of other questions. There's no way people could keep up. Besides, most of the dilemmas are not answerable. You go look at the data, you know the drill, but you still don't know. Tell me, who should I start between Eric Decker and Johnny Knox this week? 10 guys could give me 10 reasons why each is a better start than the other and we simply won't know until after Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 just like the advice section. nobody cares enough to give anybody advice anymore. You answered all of 2 questions in the Advice Forum in 2011, pretty sure that excludes you from being allowed to complain about it. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 How can you not disagree about Finley's production? He's all over the freaking map. Finley's actually been pretty consistent. Consistently mediocre. Week 3 was the only outlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) This comes out every year, and I'll give my same explanation on how I utilize the articles. This was before the Upon Further Review feature, buit it is still what I do. I use the projections as more of a what is the most likely production for the player. I use the start/bench list as a what is the probability of that happening. In this particular case, (and it has been discussed already in previous posts) we see that the likely production of Finley is 4 for 40. This is based on what has been a generally inconsistent year with very good games mixed with some real lame duck games, largely due to the number of options in GB. The start/bench list tells us that this is a strong matchup though, so there is a decent likelihood to see greater production from Finley, but we know that despite the matchup, it is still a risk. Depending on other options, a safish play at 4 for 40 with decent upside above that is a pretty good play at TE. Edited December 1, 2011 by Big Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 You answered all of 2 questions in the Advice Forum in 2011, pretty sure that excludes you from being allowed to complain about it. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 How can you not disagree about Finley's production? He's all over the freaking map. Admit it, that's what bothers you. It would bother me if I owned him. I'd rather have to honest opinions. I prefer to use my brain to make my own consensus. Don't beat up the writers for being honest. Beat up yourself for not listening to JUM and drafting Jimmy Graham. Exactly. This thread would be bad enough with any other player with question marks, but it's Jermichael freaking Finley, the guy with upside to score in any given game (and 3 TD upside), who'll disappear for 3 weeks after he scores. How are you supposed to project a guy like that, other than with your best educated guess and according to the matchup? I actually think the ROY ranking summarizes him quite well, "You have to start Finley based on the explosion potential, but over his past five games he ranks a dismal 21st among tight ends in fantasy points". You can call that a disclaimer to go along with what they think about him this week. I've not been here since what it "used to be", but I've done quite well the past few years by reading the articles and projections here, and using them to help form my own informed opinion... If you're looking for an absolutely definitive answer, then you're playing the wrong game and here for the wrong reason. The game is simply too unpredictable (particularly when you're talking weekly, and not season-long projections) to be able to know with certainty what is going to happen. That's why they offer several different outlets for insight each week, and I think it's great when DMD and Tuvey's opinions differ, or JUM or another article weighs in too. Then I not only get a second opinion, but a third and fourth opinion too to weigh as well. Expecting them to agree on player value when they don't is a disservice to you. As per the advice forum, I got tired of answering questions that even a crappy ESPN ranking sheet could answer, and for the tougher questions found myself double-checking with my Huddle content before I realized, "why am I giving you insight from the content I paid for?". I feel like 90% of the advice questions could be answered if they subscribed, and so I'm not gonna give them that for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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